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Published Monday, May 04, 2009 6:05 AM

By ROBERT CESSNA
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Posted by: On: 5/22/2009

Comment Title: High Profile Recruits reject A&M...why?
the reason is because, location, location, location! BCS is so boring and has nothing but walmart stores, and a mall that looks like an arcade, and lots of overweight people. I'm fat so i like it here because i fit in...lol. And don't even say Northgate. That strip is nothing like the ones in Norman, Chappel Hill, Austin, and other campus cities. Alrighty...see you guys in Walmart...lol.

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Posted by: Ryan S. On: 5/17/2009

Comment Title: Miller58
He is a t.u. fan that has no life - posts here to get a rise out of us. Ignore him.

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Posted by: Pablo On: 5/17/2009

Comment Title: “One, two, three, ATTITUDE!”
If you bother to read the New Yorker piece you will see that "disadvantage" teams/people can win like David did against Goliath with sheer will power and a determined spirit to do things on their terms.. not Goliath's. If Sherman can bring this attitude, we will win and win big. If however, we try to play by Gioliath's rules.. it will be tough, IMO.

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Posted by: Pablo On: 5/17/2009

Comment Title: Interesting reading...
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/05/11/090511fa_fact_gladwell?printable=true

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/15/2009

Comment Title: BO PELINI AND NEBRASKA COMMING ON VERY STRONG IN BOTH RECRUITING AND W/L's?
My personal opinions:_____Bo Pelini was hired at the same time as Mike Sherman!_____There is where the similarity absolutely ends._____Pelini went 9-4 with a bowl win last season and took tech to overtime; Sherman went 4-8 with 7 blow out and Arkansas state losses, not even eligible to lose a bowl!_____Pelini just committed his third four star out of only four commits; Sherman has only 3 four star commits out of a total of 16 commits?_____Starts to looks more like Nebraska hired a winner every day: and A&M has already proved it hired a loser both in recruiting and W/L's on the field?_____miller58

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/15/2009

Comment Title: RE: Objective Homer
My personal opinions:_____Objective Homer_____BINGO!_____miller58

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/15/2009

Comment Title: REPORTEDLY OUR COACHING STAFF VISITED HURD, LEWIS AND MATHEWS?
My personal opinions:_____ This is probably a bad sign?_____In Sherman's 1st signing class in Feb'08, our 10 coaches got only seven 4*/5* difference makers( the majority from the previous staff), that's .7 per coach?_____In Sherman's 2nd signing class in Feb'09, our 10 coaches got only 5 difference makers, that's only .5 per coach!_____In Sherman's 3rd signing class, our 10 coaches have only 3 difference makers currently committed, that's only .3 per coach?_____In Sherman's next year's 4th signing class, we've had multiple offers out for months now; and our 10 coaches have 0 commits, that's .0 per coach?_____There have been varying reports as to Hurd, Lewis and Mathews leanings toward A&M; all three have impressive offer lists in the 10 range._____tu has offered only Mathews, lsu only Lewis, and ou has offered all three!_____Sherman's record of losing offers very recently of 9 commits to other schools is documented, 2 DB's, 2 LB's, 1 DL, 2 OG's, 1 RB and 1 WR, and does not bode well for A&M with 3*Hurd, 4*Lewis and 4*Mathews?_____Let's see if our coaching staff visits really made any difference, or is just more usless Aggie Spin Machine bs for a failed coaching staff?_____By comparison, tu's coaching staff 10 is averaging 1.7 diffrence maker commits per coach, for the current recruiting class!_____ miller58

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/15/2009

Comment Title: MILLER & MILLER LITE
WHO IS THE ONLY BIG 12 SOUTH HEAD COACH WITH A 5 STAR RUNNING BACK ON CAMPUS OR COMMITTED THAT WILL LOSE THE MAJORITY OF HIS GAMES? My personal opinion________?__________Objective Homer

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Posted by: miller time On: 5/15/2009

Comment Title:
WHO IS THE ONLY BIG 12 SOUTH HEAD COACH WITH A FIVE STAR RUNNING BACK EITHER ON CAMPUS OR COMMITTED? My personal opinion:_______?________miller time

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/15/2009

Comment Title: WHO IS THE ONLY BIG 12 SOUTH HEAD COACH WITH NEITHER A FOUR OR FIVE STAR QUARTERBACK EITHER ON CAMPUS OR COMMITTED?
My personal opnions:_____?_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/14/2009

Comment Title: RE: Pablo (your reasons for getting better)
You state four reasons why you feel we should get better. Problem as I see it is our opponents ALSO benefit from reason #1, #2, And #3 and to some extent reason #4. Realize too that our opponents had no idea what to expect from sherman either offensively or defensively last year. It was the first year they had seen his west coast version in any detail or kines defensive philosophy. Heck, it was our first year to see it too. Now they, just like us, know of fuller, johnson, hunter, and company AND have some film even though they had no problem adjusting during the games last year. That is an advantage they will capitalize on and may offset any growth we had especially when you factor in their superior athletes AND our new "defense" we will put on the field this year.

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/14/2009

Comment Title: IT CAN BE DONE
Its been done before and can be done again. Just hire someone that can recruit!

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Posted by: On: 5/14/2009

Comment Title:
Why do all these comments continue to compare A&M to top Div. 1 programs. A&M is not a top or even competitive tier one program in any sport. Try to find A&M in the top 20 in anything. Yeah maybe women's softball or even basketball but men's sports are a joke. Why would a quality athlete come to A&M unless we buy him or his family forces him. Our facilities are the only top tier thing about A&M sports and they are not even in the top 10. Give it up AGs let's play Brigham Young, North Texas, Rice, etc.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/14/2009

Comment Title: ANYTHING LESS IS UNACCEPTABLE!
My personal opinions:_____FOOTBALL - Any thing less than A&M competing for the BIG 12 and the mnc every year, just like only tu and ou do now, is completely unacceptable_____ Any new coach that isn't showing satisfactory progress toward reaching this goal of competing every year, by year 4 is immediately toast and replaced!_____To accomplish this goal, this decades history shows we must have a squad with 66 to 78 4*/5* difference makers!_____Any coach not showing satisfactory progress toward this goal, by signing 10 to 22 difference makers at the end of 1 full year and each year after is toast and immediately replaced!__________BASKETBALL - Anything less than competing for the BIG 12 and the final four each year, exactly like ku does now, is completly unacceptable._____This decades history shows it takes 13 t0 18 4*/5* difference makers on your squad to accomplish this, and any new coach not making satisfactory progress at the end of full year 1 by signing 3 difference makers, should be immediately replaced!_____A new coach should accomplish this goal by year 4 with satisfactory interium progress or be immediately replaced! _____Hiring of new coaches should be made only with these goals in mind!_____miller58

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Posted by: objective_Homer On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title:
6 might just get sherman more time to prove himself. Assuming that gets us a bowl and a bowl W over a decent team.

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Posted by: Pablo On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: Well.. uh, yeah
"Its like saying only one team will be national champs next year which implys all the others are equal" - Gotta agree with you on that one. Did it help the Minnesota Vikings or Buffalo Bills in the long run that came in 2nd like 5 times in a span of what? 8 years each? At the time, they kept knocking on the door.. didn't matter in the long run.. winning it all did. Aggies need to stop worrying about what people think about the program and do what they gotta do to WIN IT ALL.. If that means going through coaches every 3 years.. OK, I with that.. My standard is the whole thing.. not keeping up with OU, UT, tu.. whatever.. we have to build it right. Is Sherman the man? Don't know yet.. gotta see wins.. winning and winning big is the sign, IMO. Then, we catch that lighting in a bottle and ride it to the top.. Tech almost did it this past year, I have to admit it.. but I think they had a case of stage freight at the worst time (on national tv and against OU).. we can do it, we WILL do it. Soon I hope! Real soon!! *please God?*

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Posted by: Pablo On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: Gimme the damn *crystal* ball...
Ah, predictions.. the seed that will either take root and grow into a redwood of an "I told you so!" or the dust of what could have been.. very dicey to make predictions because there are sooo many variables to consider (health, maturity, even the luck of a bounce or tipped ball).. Really don't like predictions, but I have said before I predicted 6 wins. I also qualified that with a healthy QB Johnson, we'll go as far as he takes us, IMO. If we don't protect him.. we will lose and I think the Sherm Era is on life support, but he knows that already, we all do.. A&M needs to show some marked improvement, not just jumping up a click here and there on the stats.. it has to be WINs, the stats be damned! - "Harry'll do it. I know it. He doesn't know how to fail." Armageddon, 1998

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Posted by: objective_Homer On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: Pablo
Yep, you are correct, they havent played yet. i agree with stars in the 5 W's max for the upcoming season. If they get 7 or more then i will give sherman all the credit. I am 100% honest when i say that i hope my take is totally inaccurate. I want them to win more than you do. I am also a realist which is why i have been forced to feel this way. This means having a realistic point of view. Just because they havent played doesnt erase the facts that created my realistic view. Defense was NOT improved, offense was NOT improved, speed was NOT improved. At best the L's will be closer in point spread. We lost by alot points last year pablo. Nevertheless, I agree to let them play. Whats your prediction??? Even if they do win alot next year can you pablo actually say "I told you so"??? You have really given any content as yo why you feel the way you do. "We'll See" is about all you have said. Well you did mention better chemistry with the staff. Does that move us to 98th instead of 99th? How far will the extra year of the poor coaches get us up in the poles? 98th would be an improvment so i guess you win pablo. You see, stupid huh? Thats the spin just as you did with the "They havent played yet" comment. As an anology- Its like saying only one team will be national champs next year which implys all the others are equal. i guess that makes A&M and OU equal. Maybe Im off but thats the kind of feel your comments have. Its all good Pablo. Im passionate and i live and die with Wins and Losses. We all have different personalites and thats what makes a blog so popular. i'm looking forward to the upcoming season no matter what happens. If they win then i will be proud to eat crow. If they lose then i will be happy that we will be on the road with a chance to hire a true winner.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: A&M BASKETBALL COMMIT!
My personal opinions:_____A&M committed 4 star PF Daniel Alexander 6-8 195 ranked# 34 on rivals 150 for 2010!_____Difference maker recruiting for the class of 2010 is:__ (!) tu with 2 five star commits.__(2)baylor with 1 five star commit.__ (3) kansas with 1 four star commit.__(4) A&M with 1 four star commit!_____miller58

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: The Aggie Spin Machine?
My personal opinions:_____You know, the Aggie Spin machine said before Sherman was announced that "the new coaching hires will put the emphasis on recruiting"?_____I read Sherman's resume and posted that Sherman has 1 chance in hell to be successful, only if he hires 9 stud assistant college recruiters._____He hired the very exact opposite!_____In fact it would be hard to hire 9 D1 assistants at random that had signed no five star players, and only 2 four stars signed in the previous five years._____Then he politicians said, wait til' the nfl recruiting kicks in for A&M at signing class time?_____Then the politicians said, wait til' the recruits see the product on the field?_____ 7 blow out losses and an arkansas State later, they still said wait til the Feb'09 signing class?_____28 signees with only 5 difference makers later, the poliicians said wait, for the third signing class?_____Now 16 commits and only 3 four stars later, the politicians are saying wait for this fall's W/L's ?_____I said, enough Aggie Spin Machine bs last fall?_____"Not buying one single ticket to any Aggie sporting event until after a new head coach signs a minimum of fourteen 4*/5* difference makers in some future(?) February!_____ Believe me, there will be plenty of time and empty seats in Kyle for years after that event occurs, until this team is out of last place and on the rise again!_____Your empty seat at Kyle with no ticket sold, will only make getting a new coach and a winning team some time in the future, happen faster!_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: RE: Pablo
I admire you for standing by your convictions (even if totally off the mark) because others who support your side of the argument are not as vocal. You obviously believe in your position. That's good. So that said, I would like an honest prediction out of you. Now think this out because I may be setting you up for a very interesting wager. I say max 5 wins this year with obviously no bowl berth and the end of the sherman era will begin with much sabre rattling after the last game. You can predict this with SOME degree of certainty just as you can predict J. Johnson would not make the all-conference team if you played him at right guard. What say you?

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Posted by: Pablo On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: Agreed
"Five or less W's this year could cost him the job" - I think you are right. This is a big year, when maybe at one time it would have been next year, but I agree.. he needs to win.

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Posted by: Pablo On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: Stars.. my answer
"The question was, what makes you think, based on those same "compelling arguments", that more W's than L's are in the near future" - NOTHING. Since I am simply pointing out that the season has not started and we seem to be caught up with how many recruits have chosen any school but A&M. So if I understand you 3 correctly.. why play? It's obvious we are going to get blown out by 40+ points and can't possibly have a better defense or offense and not to mention our Coaches are a bunch of imbeciles! (watch Miller say "___ EXACTLY ____" Well, to all that bunk, I say Fight! It's bunk until it happens! But please stick around if MY Ags start winning against all these dire predictions... or if Von Miller starts tearing it up... it will be good, I really don't see us regressing like you 3 do. My reasons are #1- game experience, #2- comradeship/maturity #3- just plain getting better #4- more comfort with the staff.. as has been pointed out, we haven't exactly reloaded at every position with the recruiting.. However, I am interested to see them play some college ball before I would consider them a bust. But that's just me.. a "show me" kinda guy.

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Posted by: Pablo On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: Homey.. one more..
"A&M can do no wrong in your eyes. Who's spnning now???" - What? I'm no spinner.. just a realist. And the reality is that the 2009-2010 season has not been played yet. That I base my evaluation on a coach based on results is proof of my convictions. I presume you are in favor of dismissing Sherman after one season? It's OK to say so, but I want to give the man his day in court.

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Posted by: Pablo On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: Homer.. rebuttal
Homer what is unfair about reporting all programs turned down by a recruit? My point is exactly what Stars followed up with.. they turn down every program when they choose a school. What is misleading is reporting only one out of many schools they way Miller did, go back and read his comment in context and as I have said before.. yes a compelling argument that we did not land that stud.. but how many wins or losses for that matter.. or as Miller puts it "40+ point blow out losses the next five years" is really just conjecture on his part. Sensationalism for the sake of drilling home his argument built around recruiting, am I right? You know I am, hell, he knows I am. So as I have stated before and will state clearly again.. W and L's. I can't remember, but I think Miller has us down for like 4 Ws based on his science. Again.. we'll see won't we? Now, hear me out.. what if Sherman lights it up this year? 6 or 7 wins, a bowl bid and a bowl win... well, I am sure Miller is resourceful enough to find a problem no matter the number of wins (it would seem..)

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Posted by: objective_Homer On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: Miller & Stars
Looks like no one else has anything to add or rebut. I guess the facts hurt.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: Re; Seeing Stars
My personal opinions:_____Stars, you hit it exactly with that post!_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title:
These kids know what's up. They are not stupid. They know if they are worth much at all they will be red-shirted their first year so you can get the max potential out of them unless you are desperate which they can smell a mile away. Their second year they will be the "understudy" usually with a soph/junior/senior starter and a soph/junior/senior back-up. About three deep at each position (66 players) plus a red-shirt class. It is 3/4/5 years down the road where they show the world their capabilities and THAT becomes the program they accept or decline with their signature of commitment today. Where are you headed? Who else are you recruiting in my class? The class before me? The program and players that will exist 3/4/5 years down the road is what these recruits accept or decline today and from what I see we are going to be very "challenged" in the next few years. Either recruit with talent (be a salesman) or recruit with W's and L's. As of today, the current staff has not delivered either one and for this year they are getting their recruiting card trumped by several programs. That will leave the W/L card. It better be an ACE !!

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: IT IS SO SAD?
My personal opinions:_____It is so sad, just watching us waste away at football every day!_____Even if our coaches could convince any even borderline high 3's low 4's to come to A&M, we dont even have room now for another 10 to 15 that we need to make any kind of an impact at all!_____Can youimagine how much longer that we are going to live with a coaching staff that has been ranked "dead last", a team that has been ranked # 89 by Sagarin and a last place in the Big 12 south?_____Notice our Tubberville man faded away, once his recruiting numbers were posted and evaluated?_____Sherman gave out multiple early offers for the 2011 class three months ago._____Heard anything about these offers. or they just fading away, too?_____I was thinking, both Sherman and I havent recruitedin the last 13 years!_____Both Sherman and I haven't run or defended the college type spread, run first pass option or the spread, pass first run option, in the last 13 years._____Sherman reportedly was fired mainly because he can't evaluate players or instill team discipline!_____I haven't been fired for an inability to evaluate players or instill discipline!_____Stars, I could always call you on any college football questions and be confident in the answers._____Sherman doesn't even have anyone he can call about college football?____Seems like I'm three up on Sherman already?_____Naw!__I couldn't demomstrate a minimum recruiing record of 10 to 22 four and five star players signed in the past few years, nor could I show a minimum of a few years of coaching SUCCESSFUL defense against the various college spread run pass options, so that lets me out!_____Sherman is out, too though for those reasons!_____But if our Chancelor, President and Regents make another competely incompetant decision. and hires someone that doesn't meet these minimum qualifications, and didn't at least consider me, then I'll be po'd!_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: Slim Pickin's
The following is offered to help illustrate the point that we have been beaten at the recruiting game at least at this point. We get our players from texas and louisiana with few exceptions. In those two states COMBINED there are only 13 TOTAL 4/5* players remaining available. Here is the breakdown. OFFENSE: Pro-style QB=0, All purpose Backs=0, Running Backs= 3, Fullbacks=0, Wide Receivers=3, Tight Ends=0, OT's=2, OG's=0, Centers=1. DEFENSE: DT's=0, Weakside DE's=0, Strongside DE's=1, Inside LB's=0, Outside LB's=2, Cornerbacks=1, Safties=0.---------It get's tough from here on in. There will be more 4* players named but they will be low value 4 or high value 3 and there will not be that many. If we get many more legitimate 4/5* players they will have to come from some other states.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: A&M's FOOTBALL IQ IS JUST REALLY AT ROCK BOTTOM?
My personal opinions:_____First, Stars, picture someone in a fetal position sucking on their thumb, thinking about the question you've ask twice?_____You may never get a specific answer, if they don't emerge from that position?_____But to my point!_____tu recruits early only to sign four and five star speed, athleticism and size._____tu filled up early, got 17 of 21 difference makers for 81%._____Thats very good!_____Likewise, I guess, A&M recruits early to get 4*/5* players, filled up early with only 3 of 16 difference makers mostly with 3 star slow speed, minimal athleticism and less size for only 19%._____That's very bad!_____A&M always uses the excuse that tu getting their four and five star players, gets them out of the way, and leaves the other top players left for us to concentrate on?_____But what I simply don't understand is what good does it do us, if we still fill up early mostly low ranked slow players, that most tems would take out of desperation to fill up, near the next February signing date?_____If there are 425 four and five star players available this year, our big 12 brothern look at tu filled with top recruits, and A&M already filled with mostly bottom recruits, and see an open field to go after the balance of the top 425 4*/5* recruits?_____Teams that have a higher % of 4*/5* recruits than A&M today with still room to add another 15 t0 20 4*/5* players are:__ou 5 of 9 already at 56% difference makers;__osu 2 of 8 at 25%; Ark 1 of 1 at 100%;__neb 2 of 3 at 67%;__col 1 of 1 at 100%;__K state 1 of 3 at 33%, missouri 1 of 5 at 20%>_____All thes teams already have a greater % of 4*/5*'s than A&M's 19%, A&M is done already, and these other teams will be kicking A&M's rear in recruiting top players the rest of the year._____You just know every one of these teams will be full by signing day!_____Already teams ahead of A&M that will have signed more 4*/5* talent for the last five years are tu, ou, neb, Ark, and osu!_____Is it rock bottom football IQ to fill up with mostly low ranked leftovers that falsely inflate our recruiting ranking early ,only to result in just more 40+ point blow out losses later?_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: just to be MORE fair
In effect, Shead turned down every coach and program in the nation except stoops/oklahoma. That's what happens with every player when they select the one team they want. Besides, is that somehow supposed to make us feel better about the situation? If SPIN is purposely misrepresenting data to support a person or idea then that one falls in with the speed story associated with the '09 class.

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: pablo
besides saying "WE"LL SEE" do you have anything else that suggests more W's than L's? Your "lets be fair" comment isnt fair at all. Whenever leach, stoops, gundy or brown get turned down they find another quality player to say yes. If you want to keep it fair then keep it fair. A&M can do no wrong in your eyes. Who's spnning now???

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: RE: Pablo
The "compelling arguments" you mention ARE leading to more L's than W's with more "compelling arguments" supporting the facts that there are not a lot of W's in the future. The question was, what makes you think, based on those same "compelling arguments", that more W's than L's are in the near future. Do not assume that folks are going to wait around 4/5/6 years for this to MAYBE happen. Five or less W's this year could cost him the job. Fun to watch though....please go on.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/13/2009

Comment Title: OOPS ! MIKE SHERMAN DID IT AGAIN AND AGAIN IN MAY?
My personal opinions:_____In April, Mike Sherman offers were turned down by 7 recruits, by 2 DB's committing to Bob Stoops and Bo Pelini, by 2 Lb's committing to Mike Gundy and Les Miles, a RB committing to Rich Rodriguez, an OG committing to Nick Saban, and a DE committing to Mike Leach!_____Now already in May, a Mike Sherman offer has again been turned down by a 4 star OG who just committed to Bob Stoops!_____But the latet recruit turning down a Mike Sherman offer again and again is Cibolo Texas' WR Sheldon McClain 6-2 174 4.48 who committed to Bob Stoops again and ou._____When A&M is suffering all those future blow out losses the next five years, just remember it was this crappy recruiting from Sherman, that gave us an empty cupboard?_____miller58

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Posted by: Pablo On: 5/12/2009

Comment Title: Just to be fair..
"OG Adam Shead 6-4 315 chose to take Bob Stoops offer and turned down an offer from Mike Sherman" what is left out of that is the fact that he also turn down the likes of Randy Shannon, Mike Leach, Art Briles to name a few. But hey.. when you are bashing Sherman, mentioning all that kinda dilutes your point huh? I get it!

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Posted by: Pablo On: 5/12/2009

Comment Title: Stars et al...
Nothing but W's will make me believe that Sherman IS the answer. Likewise, nothing but L's will make me believe he is NOT... fun reading though, please go on!

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/12/2009

Comment Title: RE: Seeing Stars
My personal opinions:_____Stars, thanks for the OG situation update._____Did not know that backgroung?_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/12/2009

Comment Title: And in addition to that....
Shead was the last available 4* offensive guard in texas. He was the last 4* OG in the nation even being ranked the #12 OG overall. Available OG talent drops because the #8 OG in the nation was ranked a distant #243 in the top 250. The #9, 10,11 and Shead were not in the top 250. Imagine where Shead was ranked overall and further imagine what we have left to choose from in the state where we get most all of our recruits. We have no OG's committed. Should have really gone after this guy and sold him a pro future blocking the west coast instead of oklahoma's spread that the pro's don't like. (ps. tu got the #1 OG).

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/12/2009

Comment Title: OOPS ! MIKE SHERMAN DID IT AGAIN?
My personal opinions:_____After 7 recruits turned down Mike Sherman offers in April, 2 DB's that committed to Bob Stoops and Bo Pelini, 2 LB's that committed to Mike Gundy and Les Miles, A Running Back that committed to Rich Rodriguez, an OG that committd to Nick Saban and a DE that committed to Mike Leach, Mike Sherman just lost another offer to Bob Stoops and ou!_____Four star Cedar Hill OG Adam Shead 6-4 315 chose to take Bob Stoops offer and turned down an offer from Mike Sherman to play at A&M_____When we are suffering all those future 40+ point blow out losses the next five years, just remember this terrible recruiting in Sherman' third signing classs, and why we have a bare cupboard!_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/12/2009

Comment Title: RE: Pablo
When faced with these "compelling arguments" (as you correctly put it), EXACTLY what is it that makes you belive Mike Sherman WAS and IS the answer?

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/12/2009

Comment Title: Pablo
I compliment you Pablo. You are a fan that just wants to see W's. You have no reason to discount what you hear coming from the program. I wish I was as patient as you but when things dont add up I have to begin to wonder, why?...There seems to be much more evidence that proves there is spin control and good ol boy tactics at play here. Sherman's resume has ZERO college head coaching experiance (red flag). If you want to use Pete Carrol then i will remind you that he was and is a major motivator and team diciplinary. Sure sherm has been around a while bouncing to many teams (red flag) but do you feel in your heart of of hearts that he was the best candidate to hire??? If your answer is NO or has any doubt whatsoever then how can you deny political manuvering here? It happens all the time every day just about every business. You know, favors for favors. Other than him knowing about aggieland tradtion NOTHING and I mean NOTHING shows me he should have been hired. Recruiting alone is a large red flag, let alone the reports of lacking as a disciplinary. In the NFL recruiting and the day to day personality required to be good at it is not required. I could go on and on but i think you feel where im coming from. Speculating spin control/"good ol boy" is actually a compliment cause they cant be that ignorant to hire this guy otherwise. I know there is a "green" flag or two but I see many more red flags. Don't you??? I will be the first one cheering if they win alot of games this year but nothing suggests it now or for future seasons. Just look at the recruting commits compared to our competition.

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Posted by: Pablo On: 5/12/2009

Comment Title: Just read this out loud to someone...
"Actually knowing what the real truths are, and not just the bs fed to us by managers and Aggie Spin Machine to protect their own.." Now, don't misunderstand me fellas, you have made a compelling argument that Sherman is behind the ball on recruitment and our defense/offense are in transition which will lead to more losses than wins (if I have read you right).. we'll see won't we? They will play these games and I promise to feed you back line for line your dire predictions. :-)... HOWEVER, this crap about a concerted effort on the part of a "machine" led by "managers" to silence you guys.. is well, disheartening to say the least. You sound scared and paranoid about "big brother" and to this *realist* there is no such animal. Sorry to pop your bubble, Sherman could care less about this or any blog. He seems to march to his own beat and if that is over a cliff, so be it. I really, really doubt you or anyone can provide some evidence to show that there is an "Aggie Spin Machine."

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/12/2009

Comment Title: RE: Objective Homer
My personal opinions:_____Homer, most people against a buy out will quote you one big dollar figure a its cost!_____Most people for a buyout will tell you its a monthly payout over years, and discuss what leaving things status quo will cost you in terms of ticket, consession. parking sales and loss of major donators and bowl winning shares all cost._____My motivation is to win, so I want Sherman bought out last December 1._____As for blogging, as long as its entertainment and informative, do it!_____My one piece of advice is, trust everyone, spend up to the two minutes it takes to verify anything of real iterest, and you'll be fine!_____just set up mental catagories like, intersting and trustwothy, ridiculous and humorus sometimes, completely skip because its always like reading last months weather report no matter what the subject matter, and you will be fine!_____miller58

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/11/2009

Comment Title: Miller
If the current roster doesnt over achieve in 09 like we see other teams do from time to time will it me too much to buy out after this season?...Its going to be really interesting watching this year. Im new to this blog thing and i feel that i know more than i ever have about a team. I throw opionions out here and there but just reading all the comments has showed me alot and its all very entertaining as well as educational.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/11/2009

Comment Title: RE: Objective Homer
My personal opinios:_____Objective Homer, hope is when you see a new coach not yet winning, but you can count the 10 to 22 four and five star players he has brought in at positions of need, the very first full season of recruiting, and then count the 10 to 22 four and five star difference makers again the second full season!_____That is hope, and there is absolutely no hope in Sherman's first full season of recruiting for Feb'09 and now the second full season of commits for Feb'10!_____5 difference makers Sherman signed in Feb'09 and the 3 more committed now just don't add up to 10 to 22 in one full season, let alone even two?_____The only hope now, until after a complete head coach and staff change, to the specs I have previously described, is that the weather will be pleasant for my fall Saturday afternoon tee times._____ I damn sure am not going to spend them watching multiple blow out losses at Kyle!_____miller58

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/11/2009

Comment Title: WE NEED A "NO" MAN
If you look at all the top winning coaches in college football (even pros). Besides the obvious traits that all share one thing in common. They all seem to resist or clash with Admin. They have control over EVERYTHING related to winning. Stoops, Mack brown and leach are local examples. The best anology that i like to use is Jimmy Johnson in Dallas. Everyone knows why he left. Jerry just couldnt leave things alone. How will the aggie admin's be able to realize the "yes" men are out of fashion....Sherman still has a chance to turn it around but nothing other than HOPE suggests he will.

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/11/2009

Comment Title: Miller
Even I know most of what is included in your post. What gives here? Political bs i assume. Why was he hired in spite of his resume?? One thing i have noticed is that in the last 20 years the head coaches at A&M seemed to be what som people refer to as "soft". I have heard many stories of the lack of player respect slocum recieved, not sure about Fran but he was asked to leave quickly which tells me that maybe he was more of a "no" man than a "yes" man. And now that sherm is here and McGee is gone there doesnt seem to be any leaders rising. If the coach isnt then a player better take over as McGee did. McGee deserves alot of credit for last years wins even while he was on the bench.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/11/2009

Comment Title: RE: Homer
My personal opinions:_____Homer, the info below goes back covers the past decade!_____Administration and boosters should be thinking in terms of thast there re a only a dozen or so head coaches with the stature that can do the job we need!_____We are looking in the rough ball park of 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 million annually salary, 5 to 10 million buyout, 15 to 29 million bonus at end of 10 years by achieving goals, as compensation.____50K to 100K above normal scale for each assistant may also be necesary._____This would be quickly paid for multiple tines by added ticket sales, consession/parkng sales, major donations, bowl winners share, etc by excited Aggies, their fans and supporters._____miller58

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/11/2009

Comment Title: RE; Objective Homer
My personal opinions:_____Homer, you ask what do boosters and administraton need to know in selecting a coach, and what does the coaching staff need?_____First the boosters and administration need to just read a comprehensive resume and background check of potential canidates!_____No recent college head coaching experience is a red flag!_____no recruiting experience for 13 years is a red flag!_____A reportedly, inability to evaluate player personel and an inability to instill team discioline as top reasons for being fired are certainly red flags!_____Someone has to be reponsible to evaluate the truth or lack of truth of any red flags uncovered in a professional manner._____Boosters and administration need to know that absolutely no head coach has won the just the Big 12 south, or the mnc without first signing from 66 to 78 four and five star players._____That is just the fact, and a potential head coach must be a proven name recruiter to be able to recruit immediately in this range at A&M._____Boosters and Administration must understand that good coaches reguardless of W/L record come in, and recruit 10 to 22 four and five star diference makers almosy every time, first year._____Second they must look for a coach that has proven successful at defending against the various spread run pass option offenses that have exhisted in only college ball the past 10 years!_____A new coach must have proven to be a name winner to excite both Aggies and recruits!_____Assistant coaches must be chosen by the head coach and have a proven record of maybe 5 years of signing 2 to 5 four and five star difference makers each year!_____Administration and boosters should know that a list of 8 to 19 head coaches each year that have recruited 10 to 22 4*/5* difference makers for the past 8 years of up to 100 coaches is readily available and updated daily , as is a list of up to 200 assistants that have recruited 2-5 difference makers each year!_____Good luck with this info_____I will be glad to answer questions._____miller58

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/10/2009

Comment Title: A&M BASEBALL?
My personal opinions:_____ Looks like the sips are Big 12 baseball winners!_____miller58

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/10/2009

Comment Title: RE; Homer
My personal opinions:____Homer, EXACTLY!!!!!_____miller58

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/10/2009

Comment Title: Pablo
Stars explained it perfectly Pablo. Great post Stars.

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/10/2009

Comment Title: Miller
I love your last "homer" post. These are the sort of knitty gritty comments that catch my attention and coming back to the blog. I appreciate your explanation and now I will be able to more tolorate your recruiting results posts. I imagine that from your perspective that you feel as though you cannot post the info fast enough in order to neutralize the liars.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/10/2009

Comment Title: WHY WAS A&M'S COACHING CALLED "DEAD LAST" IN A NATIONAL PUBLICATION?
My personal opinions:____In the 5 years prior to joining A&M, Feb '07,'06,'05,'04,'03, Our 10 coaches signed Zero five star players and only 2 four star players!_____Randy Jordon signed a four star player in Feb'06 and Buddy Wyatt signed a four star player in Feb'06?_____That's it??????????_____In the current A&M class how many four and five star players have A&M coaches committed:__Mike Sherman has 0;__Nolan Cromwell has 0;__Jim Turner has 0;__Tom rosseley has 0:__Randy Jordon has 1;__Kirk Doll has 0;__Joe Kines has 0;__ Buddy Wyatt has 0;__Charles McMillian has 2; Van Malone has 0._____A&M TOTAL COMMITTED 3__________HOW HAS tu DONE BY COMPARISON:_____HeadCoach Mac Brown:__Greg Davis has 1;__Mac McWhorter 1;__Bobby Kennedy 4;__ Major Applewhite 2;__ Bruce chambers 2;__Will Muschamp 4;__Oscar Giles 2;__Mike Tolleson 0;__ Duane Akina 1:_____tu total 17._____Miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/10/2009

Comment Title: RE: Pablo
I think what miller58 means is that he posts FACTS along with his OPINIONS. Not always 100% accurate but who is. Some posters disagree with his OPINIONS which has to be understood but they tend to also try and confuse others when they portray his FACTS as his OPINIONS that should be discounted simply because they cannot come to grips with the reality of the situation. There are many more but a recent example is this speed issue with the '09 class. In black and white unarguable fact, this is not true (unless you have a source you can reference to the contrary) but some want to believe SO bad that they cannot be objective. Anything "Aggie" must be true, correct, and undeniable. There also seems to be a group of those financial contributors and administration and posters who take advantage of this mindset "tradition" to further their own agenda. Like a child, when presented with undeniable fact that contradicts their rhetoric, they lash out with name-calling in an attempt to discredit the person responsible. I disagree with his statements at times and he disagrees with mine. That is what this is all about. You may prove his facts incorrect from time to time but his "body of work" can withstand any scrutiny you wish to bring. All he seems to be asking for is for a rebuttal or confirmation of his comments and if you have none you should keep quiet rather than reveal yourself as the child who doesn't get his way. Some of the horrible comments directed at him have no place on this forum OR in society in general. If you disagree with his OPINIONS then state your reasons as some of the more objective posters on the other side do. If you disagree with his FACTS then state your case. People are not afraid of those with OPINION. They are concerned about those who present FACT and will do anything within their power to silence the individual. That's who miller58 is talking about, and if I am wrong he will state his case. That's how it works..............IMO !!

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Posted by: Pablo On: 5/10/2009

Comment Title: Kinda sad...
Miller you should just stick to your points, a very compelling case indeed, but the paranoia about the "Spin Machine" targeting you is far fetched, IMO.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/10/2009

Comment Title: RE: Stars
My personal opinions:_____Stars, you are so far ahead of everyone else on the technical football aspect needs of A&M, that you are allowed an occasional Sherman-Lee!!!_____I am still going back and re-reading your last post on football to absorb it all._____miller58

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/10/2009

Comment Title: RE: Homer
My personal opibnions:_____Homer, You very nicely akk two questions with your last two sentences of your post below!_____In those same two sentences you very intelligently answered those same questions!_____Yes we obviously need both immediatly!_____Now there is a third Aggie Spin Macnine element that we may disagree on and I worry about you?_____Several years ago I was appaled to 100%sample several pages on a couple of the many Ag blogs, and discover that 82% of the posts were either outright lies about our football, outright lies by the context of the posts, or were made by completely clueless posters as to what the real truth is?_____I corrected a few of these posts with sources, and the same bloggers repeated the same lies, and that is when I realized the existance of the Aggie Spin Machine!_____Now, I suspect that if you check these same blogs today, you will still find the lies and untruths in the 80+ % range?_____Also it's the almost identical half dozen or so posters that initiate most of these untruths in daily volume!_____You should talk to radio, tv, and news reporters also, and just ask them if there is Kremin like tight control on them, and if any actually fear for their ability to even have contact with the people necessary for them to do their job!_____When you have 10 industrial divisions, or 10 sports divisions and your biggest most profit potential division(football) is up a creek P&L wise(W/L wise), you get all sorts if stories from the managers that want to protect their interests and their friends interests, instead of the truth._____ I am very experienced in micri- managing an operation to identify and correct problems____For 30 years, A&M's football W/L has sucked: I identify the problems on a daily basis, build a data base for future improvement, and choose to share the truth as I find it with my fellow Ags!_____Actually knowing what the real truths are, and not just the bs fed to us by managers and Aggie Spin Machine to protect their own, and their friends jobs will enable Ags to correct and Build a better A&M._____Why do you think so much effort goes into controlling just the truth out of A&M?_____You've seen the nane calling, discrediting attempts, and failure to refute the facts. all used by the Aggie Spin Machine on me on this very forum?_____miller58

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/9/2009

Comment Title: Miller
So, shouldnt the focus of discussion be more about improving the source of the lackluster recruiting instead of reporting his results over and over? Based on your take (that i agree with by the way) We know he has not and will not over- achieve in this part of his ocupation. I think we would be better off discussing the soultion more than discussing a bi-product of the problem at hand. Do we simply need a better recruiting staff? Or do the boosters and admin need training on top of finding a better staff? Talk to me miller.

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/9/2009

Comment Title:
I am at LEAST one step slower these days.......Sherman and Lee just went by me. Thanks for the assist miller.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/9/2009

Comment Title: RE; Stars - Homer
My personal opinions:_____Stars, no idea why Sherman haven't offered Lee?_____Maybe it dates back to the civil war, huh?_____Homer, you can immediately tell if a head coach can recruit by looking at difference maker signigs!_____Examples:_____ Charlie Weis first full season 10 4*/5* difference makers, second full season 19;____ Nick Saban first full season 22, second full season 18;_____ Rich Rodriguez first full season 14:_____ Mike Sherman first full season 5, second full season to date 3 of 16._____Now you tell me who can recruit of these four examples, and who dosn't have a clue; it's so easy?_____And the worst part is most that don't have it in recruiting, almost always never get it, so you're better to make a change asap!_____miller58

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/9/2009

Comment Title: Recruits
Isn't dwelling on the recruting results moot? miller and a few others have already concluded that sherm and crew are not recruting well. Shouldnt the focus of discussion be on who and what needs to be changed in order to improve the overal results as opposed to dwelling on the existing results??? How much time do you need to prove yourself as a top notch recruiter??? Are we there yet? Next season? Season After?

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/9/2009

Comment Title: Quarterbacks
Zach Lee, McKinney, 6'4", 195#, Pro-Style QB, Four Star, #9 pro-style QB in nation and #175 in top 250. As a junior, 63% completion rate for 2935 yards and 33 TD's. Add to that a 4.8 GPA (correct, 4.8). He has eight offers now and is not committed. Any reason why we are NOT one of the offers ???

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/9/2009

Comment Title: A&M NEEDS 11 FOUR STAR DEFENSIVE PLAYERS, MINIMUM ONE AT EACH POSITION IN THIS CLASS!
My personal opinions:_____With zip four star defensive players in this class so far, and zip projected for the rest of this class, our recruiting just looks completely hopeless?_____As much as our defense should take priority, looks like we just won't have a single player with four star speed, athleticism or size on defense in this class!_____Even if we got one or two, when we need 11 to 22, that one or two would be like spitting into a hurrican force wind and it comming back in your face?_____Did you also realize, that A&M is the only team out of all six teams in our division, that does not have a four star quarterback either committed or already on campus, yet?_____Guess we don't need that four star speed, athleticism or size at Quarterbach either, huh?_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/9/2009

Comment Title: Commits
I think everyone recognizes the fact we need some defensive players or defensive coaching, one or the other or both. Sherman's 2009 class has 28 commits and the 2010 class has 16 commits right now. Of those 44 commits only TWO are 4* defensive players (one LB and one jc transfer DB). The state of texas has very few defensive players left in the top 250 that have not committed. Considering we get nearly all of our players from our state, how many of those remaining will we sign.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/9/2009

Comment Title: A FALSELY INFLATED HIGH RECRUITING RANKING WITH ONLY QUANTITY, BUT SLOW SPEED, LESS ATHLETICISM AND SIZE LIKE A&M'S 16 COMMITS WITH ONLY 3 FOUR STARS WILL RESULT IN MULTIPLE 40+ POINT BLOW OUT LOSSES!
My personal opinions:_____A truly high recruiting ranking with quality speed, athleticism and size like tu's 17 four and five star players out of 21 commits will win those 40+ point blow outs?_____miller58

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title: RE: Objective Homer
My personal opinions:_____Homer, That would be great!_____Looking forward to it at time of the next hire?_____miller58

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title: miller
I dont disagree with your "always closing" point if view. it will get us headed in the right direction regardless of who we close. I hope to be in touch with you on this blog whenever the door opens for the next hire.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title: RE: Homer
My personal opinions:_____Homer, recruiting a head coach or a 17 year old is the same job!_____You need to ideally have the kind of personality, that people immediately like to be around the very first moment you walk in a room!_____But you simply first, find out (research) what the hot buttons are for that potential head coach or 17 year old recruit, sell and close him every day, and just keep closing him every day, until the 17 year old or head coach signs on the dotted line._____ Hell, anybody can be a top salesman!_____Even I was in sales for a few short years when younger, and was 1 of 2 top salesmen out of forty!_____But you must close your client every day with his hot buttons, until the deal is signed and this takes work! I never really understood why, when I and the other fellow were producing 4 times as much as the closest of the other 38? It was simply that the two of us always researched the hot buttons, and closed every day, the other 38 didn't?_____That's what is so flustrating about our 10 recruiting dwarfS: if they ever got the hang of selling and closing recruits, they could be good, if they worked at it!_____That's why we could simply get almost any head coach we want?_____Research his hot buttons, close him on the deal every day until he signs, and you got him!_____Of course if you send an idiot that doesn't understand researching hot buttons first, and closing, then you'll get 10 recruiting drawf results!_____Charlie weis has recruited 10, 19, 13 and 12 difference makers in his four years at Notre Dame!____Smart Coachs are watching if Charlie can't coach them this year, that will be the hotest job in America!_____Coaches watch recruiting across America closely and inheriting 65 or 70 difference makers to coach, would be very attractive!_____Remember Urban Meyer tuned down N.D., his dream job, to take Florida because they had an mnc type squad._____Homer, my point is A&M could hire any coach over Notre Dame, if our reps can learn that coaches hot buttons and just close every day!_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title: Last Try
Jackie Sherrill...5 years at Pitt....overall 50-9 record...last three years was 11-1 every year....ranked #4-#7 depending on poll each of last three years....attracts players like Tony Dorsett and Dan Marino. Leaves all of this to come to A&M which had gone 7-5 and 4-7 the two years before he arrived. Look through the list of assets posted below and see if you can come up with one or two reasons why....... Signing off on this dead horse.

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title: stars
So the reason we have failed to get a true top coach in here is all due to the old generation boosters/admin? When a sherman is asked to leave and a top name becomes available we'll see what happens. Your point on contracts and assistants makes sense but i just have trouble completey subscribing to it. There are exceptions to every rule. I'm very curious and anxious to see who the next coach will be. I dont think sherman will get enough wins this year. He has done nothing to improve the defense or much else for that matter. I guess the admin told him not to. This is why i have toruble agreeing with your point. My point seems to make more sense.

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title: RE: Objective_Homer
My best advice for you at this point would simply be to shorten your name. "Homer" will work nicely.

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title: stars
You just argued your own point! Since they have the big ego then going to TX,OU, Notre Dame or Michigan doesnt bother them. ND and MI are recent proof of this. No task is too hard therefore the bigger name schools with more pressure doesnt detour them. This my point. add in the better recruiting edge those sort of teams get, TV exposure and so forth and A&M falls farther and farther down the list. Im not saying its impossible, im just saying that you and miller need to tap the brakes on assuming we could land just about anyone we wanted.

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title: RE: Homer
Coaches are COMPETITIVE and they have EGO's. That's why they do what they do. Just tell one of them they can't do this or that and watch them bristle up. The really good ones believe THEY are the only reason their particular program is where it is and they have the ego to believe they could do it anywhere. Oh they give credit to assistant coaches and players but after all it was THEM who hired the coach or developed the player wasn't it. If you offer them all the assets listed in posts below along with an underachieving 4/5 win team they know they can show marked improvement for a couple of years, which keeps the boosters/fans happy, as they build toward a top 10 type program. If for any reason Ok or tu immediately lost their coach today the new man would face quite a task just to maintain status quo with his staff. So for the new coach,the worse shape a program is in the better as long as you have ALL the necessary assets. There are not many places like that and for the few that do exist they are very attractive spots for the coach looking for a new challenge because he has conquered his last project.

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Posted by: COPY AND PASTE IT. AGGIE FOOTBALL IN YOUTUBE On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title: FUNNY CLIP I FOUND FROM THE OTHER BLOGS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmEAo-nzBgY

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title: HOW DO WE ATTRACT A TOP COACH?
Contract terms & hand picked assistants alone? How much does our position in the B12 effect who we can land in CS? Who wants to deal with TX and OU year end and year out? Of course thats under the assumption he can get us past TT & OSU. Of course thats under the assumption he can get us passed Baylor. Tradition, facility, fertile recruiting grounds and warm weather just arent enough to attract the best possible candidate. The window for sucess tiny at best for A&M and the B12. We have to try as hard as we can but someone wake me up when a winner signs with us.

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Posted by: engr dept On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title: corp class of 2010
i was doing research regarding commitments to our programs...i found out that miller is right. i hate the guy but he is convincing me a bit...make him stop! anybody?

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Posted by: Outsider On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title:
You do not have good enough coaching to get by with this quality level in your recruiting classes. Maybe somebody does but you don't.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title: WHO ISWHO IS THE ONLY COACH IN THE BIG 12 SOUTH THAT DOESN'T HAVE A SINGLE FOUR STAR QUARTERBACK COMMITTED OR ON CANPUS?
My personal opinions:_____?_____miller58

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title: OUR TALENT POOL DROPPING LIKE A ROCK UNDER SHERMAN?
My personal opinions:_____With Mike Sherman having multiple offers out in his fourth signing class for next year, lets look at where our talent pool is going to be next year?_____The 4*/5* signings for Big 12 teams & Arkansas for Feb'09,'08,'07,'06 added to this years commits as of today, ranked are:__(1) tu 74;__(2) ou 54;__(3) Nebraska 26;__(4) Arkansas 25;__(5) okie lite 23;__(6) A__(7) Colorado 16 ?_____Why are we dropping?_____In just the past month, Sherman's offers were turned down by 7 recruits; 2 DB's committing to stoop's ou and pelini's nebraska. 2 Lb's committing to gundy's okie lite and mile's lsu, a RB committing to rodreguez's michigan, an OG committing to saban's'bama and a DE committing to mike leach's own tech?____The next time we are getting blown out by 40+ points, remember this crappy recruiting by Sherman and his own bare cupboard after 4 recruiting classes in progress?_____Did you know Sherman has not committed even a single player this current class ranked as high as four star on defense?____The players committd on defense just don't have the SPEED, ATHLETICISM AND SIZE to be ranked any higher than a 3 star?_____Guess defense is not a big need, huh?_____miller58

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/8/2009

Comment Title: RE: Seeing Stars
My personal opinions:_____Stars, Mckinney and the Regents can handle the locker removal on their coffee break, with Elsa driving the borrowed pick up truck!_____But we'll use the $250K saved to throw a real super fancy catered lobster/beef buffet limited to 100 seats for a two hour "ask the new coach questions" session!_____We'd throw 3 of these, one in Dallas, Houston, and El Passo At $50K per ticket raising 15 mil for our recruiting slush fund, and be on our way to our mnc's just like tu, ou and lsu?_____miller58

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title:
Miller/Stars, Logically speaking, i love all your info from todays posts. It implies that we could land whoever we wanted as long as they were available. Contract clauses/admin are all that keep us from this? I wish it were true but i just dont agree. Your comments suggest that if a top level coach were on the market he would choose us over anyone else. I disagree completely. For conversation sake lets assume the money and all terms of the contract were identical from 3 different shcools. Due to the current team ranking and overal position of A&M within the B12 I find it hard to assume he would automatically pick us over the other schools. This doesnt mean that we cannot exhaust all efforts in landing someone but contracts are just one part of many that have to fall into place. OU & TX arent going anywhere from where they sit. TT and OSU are also not helping. Not to mention MIZZ KS and NB. If i were the top candidate in the land A&Ms offer would have to be SUBSTANTIALLY better than just about any other offer. If im as good as a recruiter as you think i am then i can recriut from a number of locations. Landing someone like this will take just as much luck (overall timing, competitors, ect.) as it will all the hard work it takes to lure him in..Am i missing your point somehow???

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: RE: miller58
..........and another $250.00 to pay for that hideous locker removal !!! It's a bargain !! I'm in !!!

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: RE: Seeing Stars
My personal opinions:_____Stars, my experience has been 3/4th of the people that ended up accpting my offer, were absolutely not available before we started talking, so we can get almost anybody we really want!_____We are probably realistically talking a package of 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 mil a year + a 15 mil bonus at the end of 10 years for the right head coach + an extra 50K to 100K each a year over and above the normal assistants salaries for the first 5 years to get what we need!_____This would give us 10 to 22 difference makers the first FULL year recruiting, and have us competing for the Big 12 in the second FULL season! Another year or two variance is allowable, only if very satisfactory progress is being made in the interium!_____This would quickly pay for itself in ticket sales, concession sales, winners share extra bowl income and donations several times over almost immediately with the excitement and results on the field!____Just do it!_____miller58

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Posted by: Sister On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: Re; to all of you. Good Exchange
I think it is not who was attracted. It is who was offered in the first place. You are recruited. You don't apply. Isn't that right?

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: Miller
Why were the sucessful coaches attracted to ND and AL in the first place??? Was it their Facilities? Tradition? Strong recruiting grounds? It was their legacy! Your are dead right that coaches have to be good recruiters first. Im just as frustrated as you. did you think i was making excuses? My point was thatour lack of sucess scoots further off the radar for alot of potential candidates. Therefore im very frustrated as to how we can get back to winning.

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: Sherman and/or the next coach
The gap is too great bewtween the existing state of the program and where we all want to be in the future. This will require at least one stepping stone. If Sherman cant do it then we have wasted yet another season with zero progress. This means the next coach most likely will not be the one to take us to the promise land. He needs to get our repsect back with a few more wins THEN we go get the one who will take us to the promise land.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: WHAT DO D1 COACHES THINK OF A&M?
My personal opinions:_____This quote from a national publication might give an insite into what D1 coaches really think of A&M and it's adminstration; quote "Division 1 coaches will think twice the next time A&M comes calling after the raw deal Coach Fran received!"_____Homer, I notice that some of your comments don't seem well thought out, or seem to be of an Aggie Spin Machine perspective?_____Which is it?_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title:
The entire nation knows this program to be a sleeping giant. You can't attract the coach if you don't offer. Nobody knows for sure who had the opportunity to turn us down on either the franchione or sherman hire. We have had a little of the Jerry Jones syndrome here.....a belief that we can win on talent alone with any coach. May have been true in the past but we have been slower than our conference brothers to recognize the error of our thinking. Do you believe our "selection committee" should be reorganized/restructured/reformed or are we doing well with the system we have? And if sherman fails, considering lessons learned, do you think we will hire a current high profile coach like a carroll, saban, meyer, stoops, brown type or do you think we will go after an "up-and-comer" gamble. If you will pay 1.8 million a year to finish outside the top 50 what would you be willing to pay to finish in the top ten because it is a matter of timing as much as anything else. You will more than likely have to be prepared to "buy out" the remainder of a contract (and pay off the current coach) to get a good one. Then again this could all be moot. Sherman may go 10-2 this year and beat a 9-3 Florida team in a good bowl. We should all hope for the best (but prepare for the worse).

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: Recruiting
just being devils adv. I would have to disagree slightly. Both scanarios you mentioned were schools that have major influence in their names alone. Yes, the previous coaches failed and I know its not fool proof but the name of the school and its recent history plays a role. The longer A&M goes without hiring a big time coach the harder it gets. otherwise, why havent we attracted more candidates? Everything else being equal (including stuborn boosters) if we were Notre Dame or Alabama the program would be in better shape by now. Hard to argue otherwise. This theory is the only thing that makes sense to me any more. I'm beaten down with all the tradtion, facilty and deep pockets talk. When it comes to todays college footbal standards A&M is perceived alot differently than we would all like to think. Sure we tried hard and seemingly did the right thing by getting fran but he ended up failing. There are always going to be failed attempts but it seems A&M is ALWAYS on the short end. The coaches that bring success just dont seem to be attracted to A&M. The "football respect" for this school has fallen and fallen hard. Too many bad seasons just put you furthur down the list in my opinion.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: RE: Seeing Stars - Objective Homer
My personal opinions:_____Stars, we want both a coach and a recruiter!_____I watched Saban and he hire recruiters as assistants the first year and hit recruiting hard,_____Then traded in a couple of them in the second year to get the offensive coach he wanted, etc, etc._____Homer, my experience is, it is strickly the head coach that makes the big difference in recruiting!_____Quick examples are Ty Willingham at Notre Dame for years couldn't recruit squat, and charlie weis immediately came in first year, and recruited double digit difference makers every year._____Nothing changed except the coach!_____Another example: mike shula recruited poorly at 'bama for years._____Nick Saban came in and signed 22 difference makers his first full season and 18 the second full season._____The only thing that changed was the Head coach?_____Rich Rodreguez came in and signed 14 difference makers his first full season; mike Sherman came in and signed only 5 his first full season._____ Just different coaches._____A&M actually committed 14 difference makers for Feb '08; Sherman could only re-recruit and/or sign 7 of them!_____ ANY way you go, it's just a different coach that makes the difference!_____A&M got a third four star today, RB melena: only 19 more to go!_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title:
Once established, meaning you took over a program and grew it to the point where you are good for "X" number of difference maker recruits a year and good for "X" number of wins a year and good for a bowl each year, things get sort of "routine". Sort of like wanting a new car or house when yours is only a couple of years old. So before the success/new wears off, before the boosters aren't happy with just the conference titles and solid bowl victories and start demanding national titles, it is sometimes an attractive thought to take on a new project. It is much more difficult to go from 8/9 wins per year to 10/12 wins than from 4/5 to 6/8 and a bowl bid. Taking over an underachieving program with great facilities, deep pockets, and an all-american starting lineup within a 200 mile radius of your school gets coaches excited again. Their new chance to be a hero at a new place. If you are a good coach, improvement comes quickly. You must also be a good recruiter to sustain it. Looks, age, personality, sincerity, and making good on all the promises you make the kid and his parents comprise the good recruiter. My point was that we offer the coach who wants a new challenge everything he could hope for. We should not back up a step from what we have to offer ANY coach in the nation and should not hesitate to offer any one of them. The question is, at this point do we want a recruiter first and a coach second or the other way around. (or both).

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: assets and opportunity
So what are you implying stars??? Are we to point at the boosters and their influence? Or are we all just to blind too realize A&M isnt as sexy a place as we believe it to be??? Fran couldnt recruit well enough with the weather,facility, $$$$ and rich pool if highschool atheletes. And remeber fran was the hottest name going at the time he was hired. Do the boosters really have enough control to derail a program becasue of the good ol boy takes priority over logic way of thinking?

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: SHERMAN'S FOURTH SIGNING CLASS EARLY RECRUITING?
MY personal opinions:_____Mac used early recruiting to commit 17 four and five star diffrence makers this year!_____With early multiple offrs out in his fourth signing class now, if Sherman uses it to sign 15 to 22 difference makers, great!!!_____If Sherman uses early offers to sign almost all slower, smaller, less athletic low ranked leftovers in his fourth signing class, just like he did in his first three signing classes, then all we've gained with early recruiting, is another wasted 25 scholarships?_____Our next coach will have the option of keeping the 25 slower, smaller, less athletic commits and screwing A&M fans for the next five year; or the next coach will have the option of withdrawing the 25 schoarships, and screwing A&M with every Texas high school coach, and providing negative recruiting ammunition for 100+ D1 schools for life?_____When Sherman withdrew Janisch's and Brown's scholarships, reportedly wouldn't take either of their phone calls, or return the multiple phone calls of their high school coaches, A&M is screwed for years with high school coaches in Texas and negative recruiting for years already?_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: Assets and Opportunity
ASSETS: fan base, $$$$$, facilities, $$$$$, recruiting rich state, $$$$$, weather, $$$$$, community support, $$$$$, tradition, $$$$$, conference, $$$$$$, #1 sport on campus, $$$$$, etc, $$$$$, etc, $$$$$. Oh, and I almost forgot, $$$$$$$$. OPPORTUNITY: a chance to take over an underachieving, mismanaged, poorly administered program with unlimited room for growth and, with every asset you could even hope for, propel it to not only conference but national prominence in a short time. In my opinion, NOWHERE IN THE NATION DO ASSETS MERGE WITH OPPORTUNITY BETTER THAN AT TEXAS A&M. And I'll bet a lot of coaches feel the same.

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title:
The Tuberville issue would really require some thought by those in control of the hire. His coaching would attract some and a new scheme on the field would also attract a few along with a chance to play NOW rather than wait your turn behind a stable of other 4/5* athletes already on the roster at your position at other schools. Watched a little of the 1995 Alamo Bowl last night (Pullig, Nguyn, and company). If you want to be reminded of how much the game has changed just watch that era of college football. There were 11 offensive and 11 defensive players ALL in the tv picture just before the ball was snapped. Six and seven man offensive fronts, runs between the tackles, and the counter-trey. Straight drop-back pocket passing. It was old school football and also the last time our senior coaches were at the college level, if ever.

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: New hire will be tricky
Finding the right candidate for the job will be very difficult at best. The following list is in no particular order as you must satisfy ALL to make it work. You have to find someone that is actually available (easier said than done) More than money alone has to attract him to A&M He must have relative free reign with assistants and their salaries SPREAD EM! He must be a true expert with the modern offenses and or defenses Proven sucess with the offense/defense Proven sucess with recruiting Free reign with all aspects of the program as it relates to winning All of this really narrows down your choices. I feel that it would be next to impossible to achieve this. Anything from this list that is not present is asking for trouble. Otherwise, just stick with sherman and be happy if you crack the top 50.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: RE;Seeing Stars
My personal opinions:_____Stars, exactly!_____Saban now And '03,'04, and '05 aren't too stellar either for Tuberville?_____I feel better about Tommy's coaching, than his recruiting. Seems like a good coach but not in that elite top few that would come in and recruit 10 to 22 difference makers his first ull season and compete for the Big 12 in his second full season!_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: Tuberville
Only thing concerning me to some degree is recruiting. I think he may have just given up and resigned himself to second place when Saban took over just down the road. Maybe that was just the press but I do remember a lot of folks saying he should consider A&M as a replacement for Franchione after Saban arrived in Jan '07. If true, and he would attempt to escape Saban, would he fare any better against Brown and Stoops. He elected to stay so we will never know and unfortunately neither will he at least to this point.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/7/2009

Comment Title: RE: Frontrow, Seeing Stars, Objective Homer
My personal opinions:_____Tommy's difference makers signing showed:__'08 6,__'07 13,__'06 15,__'05 8,__'04 4,__'03 7,__'02 12?_____I know he coaches great defense, and went 11-0 and a third place finish several years ago!_____Frontrow, What are his weak points and things that I should know about Tuberville?_____Butch davis difference maker recruiting since back at North Carolina is:__'09 14,__'08 7,__'07 6,__'06 6 ?_____I know Davis previously resurected Miami, and recruited the team that won the mnc, when he left for the Browns!_____Absolutely no team has won the Big 12 south or the mnc in the last decade without signing in the range of 66 to 80 4*/5* difference makers over the previous 5 year._____As I recall, Davis reportedly had a bout with cancer when he first returned to Norh Carolina?_____I know we are screwed from the start, no matter who the head coach is, if A&M won't provide the budget for the new coach to hire 9 top assistants that have a proven top record in both recruiting and coaching._____With the state of political crap, that a new coach will be comming into at A&M, there must be no negotiating on assistants, that can show a record of signing 2 to 5 four and five star recruits each year in the past five years!_____The new coach must have this in writting before he signs on the dotted line?_____And absolutely no A&M employees sticking their nose in, where it doesn't belong!_____ miller58

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Posted by: Objective_Homer On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: Turbeville
All sounds good to me. I really enjoy reading todays discussion. The thought of A&M bringing in a staff to develop this sort of offense is really interesting to me. I would love to see it BUT as already mentioned below it takes a staff that not only knows everything about the scheme, they also have to be good recruiters. I think the lack of sucess at A&M really hurts our attractiveness to good coaches. Top 99 isnt enough. MPO- The best chances to be sucessful at the spread is to have top 10 caliber coaches AND coaches that can recruit AND recruits AND facility. To keep the odds in your favor you cannot lack in any catagory. This is why this offense is not copied as much as it should be. Huge risk if you make a flemsy attempt at it and the thought of A&M and the good ol boys trying it scare me to death. Kind of similar to Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson. You just gotta step back and let the true experts handle their business. I'm looking forward to see what happens down the road.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: RE: Frontrow
My personal opinions:_____Frontrow, one other point on Tuberville with no staff now, he would have to have a top recruiting staff of 9 assistants!_____The way the Aggie Spin Machine historically lies, Tuberville should have it in writing regarding assistants and budgets for top recruiting assistants; and the money deposited in escrow!_____This would be for Tommy's protection as well as us Ags?_____WE can get the budget back in line as turnover occurs, but we need the very top people, similar to what Kiffin did at UT, to recover from Shermans four disasterious recruiting classes!_____miller58

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Posted by: On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: L-O-S-E-R-S
But it never hurts to dream, same old aggie yell wait til next year,no way no how, never been at the top and never will be. Second tier sports is a compliment.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: RE: Seeing Stars - Frontrow
My personal opinions:_____Stars, thanks!____What offense/offenses would you prefer to see A&M run?_____Frontrow, how old is Tuberville now?_____Have to agree with you and Stars, Tommy would be lke night and day compared to what we have now!_____From what little I know at this juncture, Butch Davis bringing John Blake and the rest of his staff would give A&M the name, recruiting power and coaching to compete for the Big 12, and the mnc, in the timely manner that I want?_____And I'll give Tuberville another look, if you'll carry one end of RC's locker, and help move it way off campus?_____ Appreciate both your inputs._____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: RE: Frontrow
The more I think about this the more I think you may be on to something. I would like to hear millers comments but you may have converted me. A lot of intangibles with tuberville as well. One thing for sure, in my opinion it would be a quantum leap from present conditions.

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: RE:miller58
Not enough room and probably shouldn't clog these spaces up with it but, in my fact based opinion only, the SPREAD-OPTION (run first pass second) is old school triple option with high percentage short passes mixed in and spread across 53 yards of the field. Urban Meyer is today's specialist. Start with 3 or 4 wide receivers and one running back, spread sideline to sideline. The slot receiver will motion and end up as the second running back very frequently. It triggers off the defense and what the backside defensive end and the outside LB do. At the snap the QB is in shotgun, receives the snap, puts it in the running backs belly and reads the backside DE. If he chases the RB the QB takes the ball back and reads the OLB. If the OLB commits to the QB he pitches to the slot receiver who was in the backfield as the second back. If he takes the slot, the QB keeps the ball. Defenses have to be very sound with who takes the QB, who has the dive, and who has the pitch in each and every situation (you saw our trouble with this last year at baylor). Pre-snap, the QB looks in the box and determines who you are committing to the run and who to the pass on defense (with no movement and no attempt at diguise the defense is doomed---remember). The QB is in shotgun so he could throw out of this same formation too. Linebackers and safetys have GOT to know how to defend wide receivers as well as the option and the shovel pass. Once spread out, if the defense commits to stopping the run then the short passing game takes over. The weakness occurs in this offense when you DO NOT have superior athletes on offense and cannot create the mismatches you are looking for. You also need a very intelligent QB who can make the right decision very fast. Another weakness is allowing your offensive players to narrow the field. Sometimes they want to get going so quick they don't use the whole 53 yard width and collapse the defense on top of them. Could go on but this should give you some idea of what a defensive coordinator faces with these 40-something year old head coaches with talent. They spread you out, create space which creates running lanes, and often throw the ball as well after they have threatened you with the run. Superior defensive athletes with smarts and experience can limit the success of this offense. You have to be good in every aspect of the defensive game to keep it all in front of you. It is a valuable reruiting tool because of the opportunity to get touches if you are in any skill position on offense.

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Posted by: Frontrow On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: Re:Seeing Stars..Tuberville offense
If Tub was hired here, I'd like to think that he gets an OC that can coach an Oklahoma style offense....Recruit those type of players on offense, and on defense get those smaller speed guys that he was known to coach at Auburn. His AU defenses consistently were in the top 10-15 range. Imagine TAMU with a top 5 defense, and an offense that was similar with Oklahoma. After all, Tub can recruit and steal some of the players Stoops would want. No It's not going to happen in one year, or two years....Most coaches need that 3rd year to get their own players on the field, starting and being difference makers. Redshirt the first year, play the second year and start and be a difference maker their third year on campus. I just see a bright future with Tommy Tuberville as head coach of Texas A&M University. I know others do too.

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Posted by: miler58 On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: RE: STARCROSSED
My personal opinions:_____STARCROSSED, what it means is that Mike Leach has a quarterback for the next five years that has the speed, athleticism and size to be ranked 4 star!_____STARCROSSED, what it means is that Bob Stoops has a quarterback for the next five years that has the speed, athleticism and size to be ranked 4 star!_____STARCROSSED, what it means is that Mac Brown has a quarterback for the next five years that has the speed, athleticism and size to be ranked 4 star!_____STARCROSSED, what it means is that the great talent evaluater, Mike Sherman has 3 quarterbacks for the next five years that do not have even the speed, athleticism and size to be ranked as high as 4 star!_____STARCROSSED, it means that our coaching has been ranked "dead last", our team ranked #99 by Sagarin and that we are in last place in the southern division of the Big 12!_____miller58

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Posted by: mller58 On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: RE; STARCROSSED
My personal opinions:_____STARCROSSED, what it all means is we have 2 4*/5* difference makers and tu has 17 of them in this class; or put another way, tu has 8 1/2 times as much talent in this class that has the speed, athleticism and size to be ranked 4*/5*!_____An overview shows Sherman signed 24 players in Feb'08, another 28 in Feb'09, 3 more transfers, have committed 16 in the current class and have had multiple offers out for months now in Sherman's fourth signing class!_____And as terrible as we are at giving up 40+ points in blow out losses, on defense out of the 70+ players above, only 6 (SIX) of them signed or committed on defense, have the speed, athleticism and size to be ranked four star!!!!!!!!!!_____WHY??????????Remember this crappy recruiting the next we are being blown out by forty+ points, and the Aggie Spin Machine says enpty cupboard?_____miller58

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: RE: Seeing Stars
My personal opinions:_____Stars, I would like to know more about the spread, run pass option?_____with what little I know, it seems the way to go, but what is the down side to it?_____Recruiting seems easy, if they stop the run, you pass: if they stop the pass you run?_____What about ball control, is your defense on the field more so you need to bulk it up?_____Are you going to have one small fast defense for other spread offenses and a bigger stronger defense for non-spread offenses?_____The spread is fun to watch, seems the way to go and you'd have still to have 60 to 80 of the right 4*/5* personnel to compete up at the national mnc level?_____Would appreciate your inputs?_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: RE: what does it mean...
It means, at least at this point, we now have only two 4* commits rather than the 5-6 some had predicted we already had onboard.

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Posted by: On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: STARCROSSED
OK, this rivals star rank is finished and we got one more. What does it all mean.

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: RE: miller58
We shall see on the stars. Thinking about the Tuberville discussion below. Just suppose we hired him, would he go back to his "Gulf Coast" Offense or attempt the spread again ???

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Posted by: On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title:
That was original. By the way, the director's cup isn't a sport. Look it up.

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Posted by: On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: Winning is the Way to stop Leach
You aggies can't read either because all you do is whine never win. Can you read LOSERS. If God does not love the Longhorns why is the beautiful sunrise colored burnt orange.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: RE: SeeingStars
My personal opinions:_____Stars, thanks for the update on rivals._____We should soon be "Seeing Stars" beside all those 4*/5* commits on the rivals Ag commit page, huh?_____miller58

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Posted by: On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title:
I am an Aggie and if winning or being competitive in the director's cup is what you want be happy. It is a joke just like we have become. I travel across this country and A&M is not even considered a topic when it comes to sports. We do not even make the joke list. Sorry we are second rate in sports and that is not to say TECH is not also except they kick our arse in football. And if you want other sports how do you explain we do not compete with Rice and Cougar High, we are a joke and so is your directors cup. Give it up Ags.

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: side note
For anyone interested, Rivals is currently updating their 3/12/09 rankings.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: WHO COULD AGS TRUST TO HIRE A HEAD FOOTBALL COACH TO WIN A&M AN MNC?
My personal opinions:_____Who would Ags trust?_____Chancellor Mckinney - no confidence!_____President Murano - No confidence!_____The Majority of Regents - No confidence!_____Dr Robert Gates - He's the one man Ags would trust to handle it professionally and do it right!_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: RE: Frontrow
Good post. Don't know if tu and ok are necessarily the key and don't know if tuberville is the answer but you certainly have the situation correctly evaluated in my opinion. It was all wrong from the get-go and will probably get corrected soon if this season is another bust regardless of who you have or don't have available as players.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: RE: Frontrow
My personal opinons:_____Frontrow, I do not feel that Tuberville fits the mold of one of the few coaches that can lead A&M to an MNC._____I do not feel he could come in and recruit 10 to 22 difference makers his first full season; and compete for the Big 12 in his second full season like I want._____I do agree with you that Sherman is already DOA this fall!_____One Sunday afternoon several years ago, I sat down with a cup of coffee and starting reading an Ag blog?_____It was in just Frans first year at A&M. a blog owner was calling out an Ag Senior, a reportedly friend of one of RC recruits, that had been replaced in the starting lineup, for saying things that would hurt A&M!_____The blogger replied, paraphrasd, "I don't care if it hurts A&M, as long as we get Fran!"_____In a news artical, quoted on an Ag Blog, concerning Sherman's hiring, it quoted an A&M employee in the press box, paraphrased, "I know what's wrong down there, and I could fix it if I were down there!"_____I turn my back on these former Ags, employees, their friends, if I pass them on campus or at a football game at Kyle!_____May be entirely all hersay and out of context, or not, but with me personally the perception is there forever?_____ I think there are many of us that would not want anyone with even the minimal possible ties to any remotely possible former football player, A&M employee or their friends, who they even perceived had such an agenda to hurt A&M, just to get Fran from the very first, when he arrived at A&M!_____Because of my perception, I do not want them to ever feel comfortable on campus again?_____I could overlook this consideration, only for any of a few coaches who I thought would walk on water, and lead A&M to an mnc!_____miller58

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Posted by: Frontrow On: 5/6/2009

Comment Title: Next coach
Lets face it....Sherman is going to be out after this year unless he beats Texas and Oklahoma....Not going to happen!!! Impossible...The people in power with the $$$ will not keep him on....Yes Tuberville did make his mistakes at Auburn...Franklin, Spread, Firing his OC after 6 games...etc...he made huge mistakes...But yes Tuberville has proven he can beat Florida under Meyer, look it up. I think it was '07? (Floridas only loss)...And yes most older coaches don't coach the spread....Tuberville is a defensive coach, and a great one as we all know!!!!.....He can come in and A&M will be legit, A&M will be on the national scene..And with that comes recruits....As long as he has support, with the $$ that A&M has, to pay for upgrades and asst. coaches...and the way he recruits, the sky is the limit....I say with Tuberville he gets TAMU to a BCS game before any other coach out there can....

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Posted by: On: 5/5/2009

Comment Title:
I mean YOUR. HA! Caught it first. (dang).

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Posted by: On: 5/5/2009

Comment Title:
The only people really making a big deal out of this are the attention-starved belligerent dim-whits who somehow believe that A&M is 2nd rate compared to Tech. Check out the Director's Cup standings. Or is it academics you follow on Saturday afternoons? Either way, Tech loses. A&M is down in football right now, just as every program has been at some point in its history. Make no mistake; the Aggies will be back. And here's another given: Leach's circus will eventually leave town. When it does, Tech will return to the cellar. How's that Basketball team, tech? Or baseball? Hanging in there? Even you're horse can't hang with the Aggies!

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Posted by: RAY-DUH fan On: 5/5/2009

Comment Title:
Very true.

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Posted by: On: 5/5/2009

Comment Title:
A&M is a second rate program and everyone knows it so what is all the crying about when a real coach makes a remark.

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Posted by: Sister On: 5/5/2009

Comment Title: Re; miller58
I have noticed that about Stars but I also appreciate your perspective on coaches and recruiting. I also appreciate the fact that most of your statements are backed with references.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/5/2009

Comment Title: RE: Sister
My personal opinions:_____Sister, thanks for the compliment, but I give all the credit for the football X's and O's to Seeing Stars!_____Stars has given me an overview on current football tendencies, that I didn't have before!_____It's just great to have someone with his level of knowledge posting on this forum._____I learn something new every time I read one of his posts!_____miller58

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/5/2009

Comment Title: RE: CinterL
I know what the star end result is but I am not sure about how they get there in the first place. Maybe some of you who understand it a little better could help point out some things. I know for instance that there were 425 four/five star players last year. I know rivals has currently identified 250 of them. Assuming same numbers this year that leaves 175 remaining to be selected in the nation. How do you projct how many texas will get and how many of those will commit to A&M. Just seems like six is a high number to me after all considerations at this point. We don't have long to wait as I understand the rankings will be out soon.

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Posted by: Sister On: 5/5/2009

Comment Title: Re; miller58
Good points miller. Maybe that is why we seem to struggle a liile bit in recruiting. Maybe the recruits are thinking the exact same thing as you are. We cant get by with 2 or 3 difference makers a year.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/5/2009

Comment Title: RE: Frontline - Tuberville
My personal opinions:_____Tommy Tuberville may be typical of the type of coach A&M has to avoid?_____The relatively new (this decade) spread, run pass option and all ts variations, as developed only in college programs by Leach, Rodriguez, and Urban Meyer, winning two mnc's with it, etc., is a big factor in chosing our next coach!____ Has our potential coach run it, so they know how to defend it; or have they successfully defended against it several years?_____ To beat the tech, tu, ou, osu and baylor's of the world now, a new coach has to have this experience._____Not picking on Tuberville, but has he defended against Florida's Meyer successfully; and he tried to install a spread this year at auburn, just gave up and fired his coach in midseason, Franklin who was hired to install it, and was then fired himself?_____There are probably a only dozen coaches, more or less, that can come in to A&M, recruit 10 to 22 4*/5* difference makers the first full season; and coaching wise compete for the Big 12 in the second full season._____ Most of the older coaches just don't have this current spread, run pass option, experience to be able to coach defense necessary to beat baylor, ou, osu, tu, and tech._____Our current 10 coaches dont have this experience because this offense isn't in the pros, and we lose by 40+ points just because we don't have any experience; see the 7 blow outs last year!_____miller58

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Posted by: CinterL On: 5/5/2009

Comment Title: Sherman is getting better in recruiting
We don’t know how good this recruiting class will be until they start playing on the field. The one coming in does not look great, but I think it is solid and Sherman has done a good job. The more important thing to look at is how is Sherman doing now? Ok 3 of the 16 commits are on the ESPNU watch list for top player in the nation. We don’t know how good the others will be because they have not been evaluated by rivals, which is apparently the “only” recruiting site that “matters”. However Sherman probably already has 5-6 4 stars committed in this class, we just need to wait for evaluations of them. To add to this A&M is on top or in the top two or three for high caliber prospects, like Corey Nelson, Shawn Lewis, Tony Hurd Jr, James Haynes, and Jake Matthews. Also now that Sherman can focus on only the top talent to round out this class, he can get a head start for the next class and get offers out before others, which can lead to early commits of top flight talent.

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Posted by: Frontrow On: 5/5/2009

Comment Title: Empty cupboard....
Not to worry, miller58, like was said below...Tommy Tuberville can recruit...

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/5/2009

Comment Title: THE "HOW TO" SERIES: HOW SHERMAN BUILT AN EMPTY CUPBOARD WITH ou?
My personal opinions:_____When Mike Sherman was hired in November'07, he immediately set out to build an empty cupboard with ou!_____Mike did this by signing only 7 four star players in Feb'08; Bob Stoops signed 15 difference makers._____So Mikes empty cupboard was at 8._____In feb'09 Mike signed only 5 difference makers; Bob signed 11._____Mikes empty cupboard number jumped up to 14?_____In the current class Mike committed 1; stoops has 4._____Mikes empty cupboard number is now currently up to 17, and expected to be up to 25 by February!_____Sherman has multiple offers out for the next class and 0 commits_____Just remember this terrible recruiting that Sherman built the empty cupboard for 4 classes in a row in progress, when the Aggie Spin Machine is trying to explain all our future 40+ point blow out losses?

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Posted by: Horns On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: SHERMAN FAN FROM UT
Sherman will definitely step up his game plan this year. Frankly, I'm all about rivalry. And i hate to see A&M being rivaled to Baylor. Texas and A&M has gone thru alot and alot of years backing it. Regardless of who is leading the series or who has more of what...it's rivalry and the goods behind it. We just wanna see A&m kicking butts this year. Hope they will beat that team from the other side of the red river. Hook 'em horn, Gig 'em Ags and Texas fight! Boom that Sooner Wagon outta here!

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Posted by: 00 class On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: re- 07
I think Obama will be a good president. Bush left him a bare cupboard economy. Give him time to recruit his team. You don't know anything until he has at least three years. He is still having to overcome all the mistakes of the previous program.

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Posted by: class of 07 On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: Leach -A&M Coach
I think Leach will be a good A&M coach....

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Posted by: On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: Don't worry about comments...
Once Tommy Tuberville takes over at A&M, Leach won't be able to say anything. He'll be too busy trying to figure out how to out-recruit TCU. Tuberville in 2010!!!

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Posted by: Sister On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: @ TTU 02 04
Many other sites like original DNM story or lubbock versions. What do we have here that you can't get there? Why go to another team's site when the info is all available elsewhere. Just curious about the apparent fascination here.

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Posted by: TTU '02 '04 On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: @ Sister
...reading about Mike Leach and the Texas Tech Red Raiders, perhaps?

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Posted by: hobo On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: Miller's making numbers up again
Miller, as has been previously documented, the 14 difference makers that should have been in Sherman's first class did not exists. You can't substantiate these numbers with names. Nor can you even come close to substantiating the additional 6 that would have been brought in. Again, if you want to be taken seriously you need to use accurate facts. Just making numbers up and repeating them over and over does not make them true.

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Posted by: Sister On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: Re; TTU 02 04
What in the world is a die-hard red raider fan doing on an aggiesports.com site. Looking for what?

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Posted by: TTU '02 '04 On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: Kudos
I applaud Mr. Cessna for having the guts -- and fairmindedness -- to submit this article. As a die-hard Red Raider, I certainly don't want our streak against the Ags to end, but I appreciate his attitude in approaching the topic.

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Posted by: milla_hata On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: miller58
My personal opinions:_____miller58 has nothing better to do than turn every A&M football article into a Sherman tear down._____miller58 apparently has little or no sense of self worth so must take satisfaction in trying to tear down others in order to feel good about his/her self.

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Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: "Winning is the Only Way to Quiet Leach"
These battles are NEVER won in the press so it may be prudent to stop giving them local "ink" for their locker room bulletin board. You sure don't want to give them another reason to want to bury us while at the same time giving the rest of the conference a show. Realize player loyalty is just as strong there as it is here and they will defend their litter. If we would have never commented in the first place someone else would have picked up on it and chastised leach for his remark (e.g., DMN) which is the best way to handle it. Rise above it, ignore it, move on. Handle it on the field.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: THE "HOW TO" SERIES: HOW SHERMAN BUILDS AN EMPTY CUPBOARD?
My personal opinions:_____When Sherman was hired in November'07, he immediately set out to build an enpty cupboard?_____The record is A&M actually committed 14 four and five star difference makers for the Feb'08 signing class and was bringing up to 20 difference makers to the Feb'08 class._____Sherman laid the bare cupboard foundation when he was able to re-recruit and sign only 7._____A 4*DB and a 4*WR even decommitted to ou and isu just a few days before the Feb'08 signing day!____Net loss to the cupboard by Sherman is 7 in the Feb'08 signing class while tu signed 12!_____In Feb'09 sherman signed only 5 difference makers while tu signed 14._____Net loss 9 more to cupboard!_____Now Sherman has only 1 difference maker committed while tu has 17!_____Net loss of 16 more to the cupboard?_____So in his first signing class Sherman emptied 7 from the cupboard, 9 more emptied from Shermans second signing class, and is emptying another 16 difference makers from the from the cupboard in the current class?_____That's a total of 32 difference makers that will be emptied from the cupboard by Feb'10; that's a lot!_____Is it any wonder Sherman's coaching is ranked "dead last", our team ranked #99 by Sagarin, and we are last in our division, as Sherman continues to build our empty cupboard every day?_____ miller58

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Posted by: miller58 is not an Ag On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: miller58 is not an Ag
miller58 is not an Ag

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Posted by: On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: Hey Miller
You should check out aggiesforum.com. The posters on that site need a leader.

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Posted by: CinterL On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: Please limit your comment to just football not Athletics
Unknown poster, please tell me you did not just hit on A&M’s entire athletic program? I agree football is not looking great now, but everything else is either good or outstanding. Also Miller I agree with you that if Sherman does not get at least 7 wins this next year, it will prove your point. Anything less than 7 will be a disappointment, well in my opinion it would. That being said I think Sherman can get the job done, and I am excited to see how things turn out this year. Thanks and Gig’em.

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Posted by: objective_Homer On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: Leach wins
Ya'll need to stop worrying about what leach says. The stories and bashing comments only prove our envy. If leach wanted to coach here Bob Cesna would be the first brown noser in line. He wins on the field and in the paper.

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Posted by: On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: New Aggie Wine (Whine)
called "Leach Said" whine whine. That is all you ever hear from A&M. It is yeah but they ______, you know got a good call, we got a bad call, the grass was wet, it was too long or too short, the refs were against us, our guy was hurt, they got lucky, etc. etc. How about Ags are second class program, school and just are not very good. Certainly not on an academic or sport level with Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Kansas and yes even Texas Tech on the athletic field. So keep on whining Ags everyone else is used to it.

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Posted by: On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title:
Why is everyone so up in arms by Leach. I think he complimented McGee in his remark. To be thought of by the Cowboys is an honor so why bash Leach. Is it because he hands the Aggies there arse every fall, has developed a respectible program, is a great coach. Come on Ags quit wining.

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Posted by: millerr58 On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: miller58 IS muskrat
My personal opinions_____miller58 is actually muskrat_____it's bad enough you get on here and ramble to nobody in particular_____but now you have created an alter ego to back up your posts because nobody else will?_____this is common knowledge on another site where you got banned_____"It puts the lotion in the basket"_____millerr58

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: RE:Muskrat!
My personal opinions:_____Muskrat, EXACTLY!_____miller58

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Posted by: AgsRule! On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: Defence
It looks like none of the Big12 had good defenses last year according to the Waco paper, A&M being the worst. This year we go 9-4 or 8-5 and we will all feel a lot better about Aggie football.

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Posted by: miller58 On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: A&M WINS IN LUBBOCK BY SIMPLY HIRING ANY ONE OF UP TO A DOZEN GOOD COACHES!
My personal opinions:_____Our current over the hill gang of coaches, has absolutely no experience, or hands on knowledge of the development of today's unique and complicated spread, run - pass option types, state of the art college football as developed by the Mike Leaches, Rich Rodriguez's, Urban Meyers, etc._____The types of football that are now winning our last few mnc's!_____Our coaches are simply clueless?_____Sherman and QB coach Rossely left college football around '96, OC Cromwell has never ever coached in college, and DC kines left 'bama the year after Urban Meyer arrived in Florida with his spread, run pass option in '06_____Our coaches all just completely missed out any hands on experience in any real either running or defending against current sophisticated various types of college football_____Our gang of over the hill 10 have proven they don't even know what to do to defend within 40 blow out points, of the football of the Leachs, Stoops, Browns, Gundy's and Briles type of today's college football; hence they don't have a clue as to what type of players to even recruit to defend it!_____THE ANSWER IS SO SIMPLE?_____Hire one of up to a dozen young good proven winning college football coaches that can come in and recruit 10 to 22 difference makers their first full season; and compete for the big 12 in their second full season because they have hands on experience and just know how to coach today's offensive and defensive type of college football!_____miller58

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Posted by: Muskrat On: 5/4/2009

Comment Title: With Mike Sherman at the helm, Leach will be talking forever?
In year two, Nick Saban recruited 22 4*/5* difference makers and won 12 games which got Tommy Tuberfield fired. Will Mike Sherman win 12 games to Leach fired or is another apparent blowout loss in Lubbock allready have the Aggie excuse machine busy generated prefabricated excuses?

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