Best year? UT or A&M?
Published Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:53 AM

By Robert Cessna
robert.cessna@theeagle.com
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The college athletic season started with Texas Longhorn fans upset that UT didn’t get a chance to play for the national championship in football. It ended with Texas unable to win the national championship in baseball, even though it was seeded first and given a cakewalk to Omaha.

And Texas really needed to beat LSU. Oh, the Longhorns athletic department had a good year, but no national championships. The Longhorns will finish sixth in the Directors’ Cup, their eighth straight Top 10 finish. Those are solid number, but UT has slipped from its second-place finishes in 2001-02, 02-03 and 04-05. And it’s gonna be hard for the Longhorns to finish that high again, partly because of the emergence of the Aggies. A&M will place 12th, matching last season’s best in school history.

We know the Aggies and Longhorns split their 19-sport Lone Star Showdown competition, which allowed A&M to keep the trophy. But the Longhorns won the national bragging rights, or did they?

UT had a 10-7 edge in those sports in the Directors’ Cup with two ties. UT had nine Top 10 finishes, including eight in the Top 5, but again, no championships. A&M also had nine Top 10 finishes, including Top 5 finishes, but three national championships.

So which institution had the better year? It depends on what color hat you wear.

The Texas football team had to settle for a Fiesta Bowl victory over Ohio State, which ends up being the high point or low point, depending on your point of view.

Football certainly remains a stumbling block for A&M, but the Aggies also could use a break-through season in volleyball. Women’s cross country, football and volleyball were the only sports not scoring points for A&M in the Directors’ Cup. Texas also was skunked in women’s CC, but its volleyball team finished third in the country.

The Aggies have been molding an all-around program, but there’s still work to be done.  A&M had seven sports finish 30th or lower, while UT had only three.

Despite the shortcomings, A&M had to get UT’s attention this year, more so than last year. Remember all those Y chromosome jokes because the Aggies were so good in women’s sports?

Winning national championships in men’s golf and men’s track will end that. Think of all the golfers playing gin rummy in the state’s elite country clubs or just a few guys belting down a couple of beers after playing a public course, they’ll be talking about what the Aggies did. Remember the commercial a few years ago: “Chicks Dig the Long Ball?” It featured the Atlanta Braves great pitching staff, yet made the point was that Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire were the stars.

Men respect guys who can belt the golf ball 300 yards and win. That’s what the Aggies did. Then there’s the speed element. A&M has the fastest and best tracksters in the country, which is also macho.

It should be an interesting summer, matching the great competition that just took place.

BREAKING DOWN THE DIRECTORS’ CUP

TEXAS

Football: 3rd

Men’s CC: —

Women’s CC: —

Women’s Soccer: 17th

Women’s Volleyball: 3rd

Women’s Basketball: 33rd

Men’s Basketball: 17th

Women’s Swimming: 5th

Men’s Swimming: 2nd

Men’s Indoor Track: 4th

Women’s Indoor Track: 10th

Women’s Golf: 23rd

Men’s Golf: 26th

Softball: 17th

Women’s Tennis: 17th

Men’s Tennis: 3rd

Women’s Outdoor Track: 5th

Men’s Outdoor Track: 20th

Baseball: 2nd

Football: —

Men’s CC: 30th

Women’s CC: —

Women’s Soccer: 5th

Women’s Volleyball: —

Women’s Basketball: 9th

Men’s Basketball: 17th

Women’s Swimming: 8th

Men’s Swimming: 12th

Men’s Indoor Track: 2nd

Women’s Indoor Track: 9th

Women’s Golf: 31st

Men’s Golf: 1st

Softball: 33rd

Women’s Tennis: 33rd

Men’s Tennis: 9th

Women’s Outdoor Track: 1st

Men’s Outdoor Track: 1st

Baseball: 33rd


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Posted by: On: 7/5/2009

Comment Title: Re: Pablo
Then why do alot of people think that our school is a plain 'ole redneck school? Please answer.

Posted by: miller58 On: 7/5/2009

Comment Title: RE : Seeing Stars
My personal opinions:_____Stars, it will be an unforgivable transgression on the part of the A&M coaching staff, just one of many!_____miller58

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 7/4/2009

Comment Title: RE: Pablo
He was REPORTED to have admission problems. I have been trying to confirm that with my post about the ESPN report being the ONLY evidence I have to support the report. AS I SAID, IF TRUE this would be a rather unforgivable transgression on the part of the coaching staff. We will soon know.

Posted by: miller58 On: 7/4/2009

Comment Title: JUST WHY WAS SHERMAN HIRED IN THE FIRST PLACE?
My personal opinions:_____POSSIBLE REASONS(1)_____ to reduce costs?_____ The previous A&M coach was immediately owed up to $9 million dollars !_____The Sherman 10 cost $4 million dollars every year starting since hired in 2007!_____POSSIBLE REASON(2)_____Previous college head coaching experience?_____None!_____Results were tu 49 A&M 9_____Previous A&M coach beat tu in the previous two years!_____Results were a 4-8 blow out prone season_____Previous A&M coach had regular season 7 and 9 win seasons and the program on the upswing!_____tu went 12-1_____POSSIBLE REASON(3)_____Previous college head coach recruiting experience_____none_____Recruiting results in 3 signing classes have been 3, 5 and 3 difference makers!_____tu has classes of 12, 14, and 16 difference makers and the previous A&M coach was bringing up to 20 difference makers to the '08 season!_____POSSIBLE REASON(4)_____Friends with McKinney, RC, and some former football players_____Yes_____Results_____Worst complete disaster at A&M, I can remember!_____miller58

Posted by: Pablo On: 7/3/2009

Comment Title: CB Judie, the watch is on!
Stars & Miller, while you are chest pounding about how inept the coaches recruiting of CB Coryell Judie (Stars actually says, "Maybe that has something to do with why only A&M and UAB were the only ones to offer the #28 JUCO player in the nation" a quick internet search of his hometown newspaper contradicts just about everything you guys have written. Is it your prediction he will not be at A&M this Fall? have not read anywhere on A&M athletics site that he is expected sooner. What gives?

Posted by: miller58 On: 7/3/2009

Comment Title: RE:Seeing Stars
My personal opinions:_____Stars, the speedy incomming LB fish that hurt his knee, reportedly has hurt it again and is out at least this season?_____I guess to suggest that we commit 6 LB's with speed instead of just one, is unthinkable?_____Look at Baylor's defensive commits so far, and see what you think_____a big fast 4* safety, two fast tall corners and a fast tall LB?_____Looks like they are getting Griffin a lot of help on D?_____I hope our next coach gets us a 4*/5* QB and then gets him some help on D?_____miller58

Posted by: Pablo On: 7/3/2009

Comment Title: Happy 4th to y'all
Can't forget.. Happy 4th of July to you die-hards!

Posted by: Pablo On: 7/3/2009

Comment Title: MIller acting like a little kid? naa
None of what you have written since the end of last season has translated to wins or losses. Last I checked, A&M was tied with every other FBS school at 0-0. What is out of context is your prancing around.. old man -:)

Posted by: miller58 On: 7/3/2009

Comment Title: A&M HAS REAL SPEED WHERE COMMITS ARE CONCERNED?
My personal opinions:_____Now that Sherman just lost his 15th offer(the last to ou) in the last 90 days, that is just real Aggie Spin Machine speed?_____I don't recall any coach that has lost 15 offers in just 90 days._____That's seems like real speed when you lose 15 offers at a rate of faster than 1 a week?_____Let's see who will respond outof context, for the Aggie Spin Machine on this speed?_____miller58

Posted by: Pablo On: 7/3/2009

Comment Title: Class '05... pretel?
So, one of our regents is a bonafide KKK member? You have proof as well and won't divulge? Sounds too cheesy to me. Lock and step with the idea that Murano was fired because she was a woman and a minority, huh? I'm not going to pretend to know that was why she resigned. Personally I think she caved into the pressure and bolted before things got real hot (with BOR). I wrote to the A&M Hispanic Network (of which I am a member) that "Rosa Parks was not as skittish." But in truth, I do not (nor do many others) have her level of information on why she resigned. I continue to be involved with A&M, even from Austin, and I can tell you this, few people hate A&M, most people hate what they THINK A&M is. Big difference and requires an authentic search for the truth, IMO.

Posted by: Pablo On: 7/3/2009

Comment Title: Class '05... I see your two bits, raise you 5!
Well in your previous post you mentioned a lack of academic recognition, maybe a poor choice of words? You discount the engineering, construction, science and architectural (just a few) fields to call us a "farm school"? Is that because it contradicts your point or what? I'll research the endowment thing, but will share with you a quote from Dallas Morning News - "The University of Texas at Austin, Texas A&M University at College Station and Texas Tech University are also hoping for help from lawmakers. Officials at all three universities said they are asking for more money to help offset endowment losses and are holding off on spending cuts until they know more."

Posted by: miller58 On: 7/3/2009

Comment Title: RE:Seeing Stars
My personal opinions:_____Stars, this is just real scary?_____I cannot ever remember any more seemingly out of control and inept recruiting!_____ There is just no rhyme or reason to it?_____I remember how bad it was recruiting in RC's last two years, with A&M signing only 7 difference makers and tu getting its mnc class od 21 four and five star studs, three times as many as A&M?_____Then Rc's last year, where A&M signed only 6 and ou signed 16 difference makers, again almost 3 times as many as A&M._____Then there were the memorable Rc recruiting loses, like RB Vincent to tech, OL Macdonald to baylor, DT XLK to okie lite. The TE/OT to smu, etc.!_____ The recruiting of only 1 db to campus in 3 years where we needed 13, no LB depth recruited, etc,: just bad memories,_____ but RC was not worse than Sherman's first three terrible signing classes?_____In the current class alone, tu has over 5 times as many difference maker studs; and ou almost 3 times as many, even worse than RC!_____miller58

Posted by: Pablo On: 7/3/2009

Comment Title: Hey bonehead.. ya you 'tweeny
"The Master of Architecture degree is accredited by the National Architectural Accrediting Board (NAAB)"___ jeez do some research before spouting off next time, will ya!?

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 7/2/2009

Comment Title:
Take a look at 2011 Defensive Backs. Add who will be around from the 2007 class plus 2008, 2009, the 2010 class so far and the 2011 class who will not play and tell me the number. Then take away normal attrition. How will we make those numbers work? Next, do the same thing with defensive tackles.

Posted by: miller58 On: 7/2/2009

Comment Title: MIKE SHERMAN STARTS JULY 4TH OFF WITH A BANG BY LOSING HIS 15TH OFFER IN JUST THE LAST 90 DAYS?
My personalopinions:_____Hey! I just realized that the 15th out of the last 90 days islosing offers faster than 1 a week?_____Now, that's recruiting breal speed._____Anyway, Rivals 250 Four Star Center Austin Woods 6-5 290 chose to play for Bob Stoops over Sherman!_____That makes difference maker recruiting standings read:_____tu 16 of 19; nebraska 4 of 5; ou 8 of 14, okie lit 2 of 11; and A&M laging at 3 of 17._____miller58

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 7/2/2009

Comment Title:
It should be painfully obvious that the program's long term (next 5 years) future is bleak based on what miller points to in his post below. You can see the roster 3-5 years down the road RIGHT NOW. You have committed the total scholarships allowed. It boils down to the fact that if coaches who are currently in their 60's continually recruit what nationally respected organizations believe to be marginal talent, any program will fail. It will fail UNLESS the head coach AND his staff are offensive and defensive innovators who are bringing even newer schemes evolving from TODAY'S college game. Schemes that result in wins. The program then wins with average players learning from superior coaches and winning makes the recruiting easier. This program is a long way from that. If you believe all the national talent evaluators are wrong and sherman is right on his player assessments then so be it. Turn a blind eye toward it and you will learn the hard way. Today's recruit is a "show me" kind of kid. Either show me your winning record at your school or show me your history of success at other schools, your plans, and your vision of the future and IF I BELIEVE I will sign. RECRUIT ME ! Sherman had an easier road his first year, before he fielded a team, but I will bet you that if TODAY he had to recruit those same few good athletes he signed in Feb '08, he would have trouble. They signed on the hype of the all-knowing NFL staff. Each year the class gets a little weaker. This year is it. It's showtime. Five wins, no bowl, and a weak recruiting class is NOT satisfactory progress after two years on the job, ESPECIALLY at a university like this one. Five wins and no bowl this year will not create problems, it will solve them.

Posted by: miller58 On: 7/2/2009

Comment Title: A&M TALENT POOL DOWN TO 23 SIGNED DIFFERENCE MAKERS; tu UP TO 73 ?
My personal opinions:_____After 3 signng classes of 'Friend Sherman's recruiting, A&M has dropped from 32 to 23 difference makers and tu is up to 73._____Are we making progress?_____Current class recruiting is: tu 16 difference makers of 19 commits, neb 4 of 5, ou 7 of 13, okie lite 2 of 11, and A&M 3 of 17. _____Does A&M have a serious serious problem?_____In just the '08.'09, and the current class, A&M already has 72 committed/signed players?_____Not one of them will complete their eligibility until 2013, so we have only 13 more scholarships total left to give in the current class, and the'11 and'12 classes?_____And we have a majority of those 13 remaining ships already out as offers, to the current and next years classes?_____Is this our 85 player team and talent pool for '09, 10', '11, and '12 ??????????_____What about the large quantity of scholarship players remainin this year on the team at A&M, from the '05,'06 and'07 classes?_____ The alternatives seem to be withdraw mass numbers of ships which when Sherman withdrew the two tackles scholarships earlier, extremely po'd Texas High School coaches._____Also the ncaa has a recent policy of scholarship penalties at some level for not graduating players, so could we get in trouble there?_____Could the possible purpose of filling up 85 scholarships with such a poor talent pool so early, be so that even hiring a new coach, would leave him absolutely no ship room to bring in better talent until 2013?_____Anybody have any ideas on how to cope?_____Is the only answer to just accept last place for '09, '10, '11, and '12 with seemingly, the same blow out prone poor talent pool with the only the 13 new players to be added over the next 3 classes?_____miller58

Posted by: class of '05 On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: RE: Class '05.. some more ammo
Well...of course Agriculture and vet will be a top notch fields (that's why we are a farm school in a first place) I'm talking about endowment rankings. Our rival is receiving multiple offers -and its on the rise! See www.cae.org. or http://www.factmonster.com/toptens/largestendowments.html . The thing that gets me Pablo is this...I used to work in our university (2yrs), and I saw annual audits that are very questionable. I will not go on telling more, but since i quit that job and now work for an accounting firm in town and satelite areas like Houston, I now understand why we are that broke. Tier 1 university that is going broke!!!My workmates are making fun of me. They even joked and said...why did you stop sending money to the 12th man foundation (w/c i did stop btw)? I hope you got my point. I'm just one of the Aggies that is very proud but will never allow my kids to graduate in this institution. I might send them to Rice if they are that smart...lol. But yeah. I just wish that Murano thing is done. Because alot of kids are still upset. They were saying that she was forced to resign because she is a female and a minority. I know we are past beyond that...but look around the governing body...one of 'em are still registered KKK member. I know so...and we have a proof. my grandfather btw was a KKK member class of '54 and was very proud of his Aggie experience during the Praire View-A&M cross program back in the days. I am not proud of him. Anyway, I can see why you are so proud. I'm a democrat and an Alumni...i know how it feels being in our school. Its hard enough to get promoted if your political affiliation differ from 'em. Keep it that Pablo. Obviously you are proud. Me?...not really but proud of our aggie tradition. Because right now our board sucks.

Posted by: teeny weeny double e On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title:
Ever get that architecture program certified? A few years back all you could get with that was lead man on a constuction project.

Posted by: seeing Stars On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: RE: miller58
You have a point about the fish. I just think I see something in Hunter and if the kid is put in position to make plays and receives some decent coaching I think he will blossom. I may be wrong, only got to see some snapshots during last season. I'm just looking for someone or something other than what we have now. Another player may work out better. Whatever it is, whoever it is, this team has got to change on defense. We sort of proved we can't/don't do well in base 4-3 last year and putting a 3-4 "jack" in a 4-3 scheme is trouble waiting to happen. We can't go 3-4 with him because we don't have the athletes (body types) required. So we are going to have to hybrid this thing on the fly and I absolutely don't see that amount of instruction being able to be digested in August based on what they are showing now. Unless they have really worked up a new defensive scheme behind closed doors we are going to have more of the same this year. As I said before, I think Kines is comfortable coaching 4-3 because he is still waiting for someone to unleash a power running game on him like his days back in the old SEC. I don't know if he has the ability to school these kids on anything else and I don't think he has the asst coaches with experience to help. Go to the A&M site and take a look at the "highlights" from the spring game and pay attention to the defense. He was a last minute hire and a friend of RC's. Don't know how much RC had to do with bringing him onboard but he may be influencing the decision to keep him as a favor to Kines. That influence, if it exists at all, will run out this year.

Posted by: Pablo On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: Class '05.. something closer to my discipline
I know A&M has a top 20 architecture program, which is saying something since most of the top programs are on the east/west coast. Rice (private), UT (public) and us are the best around down in the south. However, our landscape program is ELITE - http://archone.tamu.edu/college/news/newsletters/spring2009/stories/landscape_top.html

Posted by: Pablo On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: Class '05.. some more ammo
Wow, did not know we were that good, read on - http://engineering.tamu.edu/about/facts/

Posted by: Pablo On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: Class '05.. a few more
Well, I don't know what site you were reading, but it should not surprise you that Texas A&M has one of the TOP Agricultural programs.. http://www.hpj.com/archives/2008/nov08/nov10/TexasAampMagriculturalecono.cfm ___ Also read where A&M has a top Veterinarian School - #1 in one poll and #5 in another.. http://www.veterinaryschools.com/veterinary-school-rankings.html

Posted by: miller58 On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: RE: seeing Stars
My personal opinions:_____Stars, I am just completely at a loss as to what direction we are going on defense._____The problem to me is I think our coach has absolutely no idea what direction we are going either?____I expect an A&M team that scores 30, mostly when the opponents have their scrubs in, and still loses by 20 to 50 the way our defense is looking?_____Losing Judie will mean we have not recruited a single player with four star speed, athleticism and size for two consecutive years now?_____Sorta brings back memories of when RC in the early 2000'S brought in 1 DB three recruiting classes, I believe it was?_____By the way, Tim Cassidy has always scared me from his part in the early 2000's recruiting, and the last 3 signing classes and Judie?_____If Hunter turns out to be a player, maybe we have only 43 more to go?_____I just can't get excited about fish just because of Sherman playing time in 12 bad games, 7 of which were blow out losses and Arkansas State, When I think there we much better proven experienced players, just sitting on the bench?_____After seeing 3 'Friend Sherman signing classes so bad, I just hold out not the slightest bit of hope?_____tu has 73 signed and committed four and five star players, and we have only 23?_____miller58

Posted by: Pablo On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: Class '05
Depends on what department you are comparing. Petroleum Engineering (where I started) is the best in the nation.. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-32911286.html

Posted by: Pablo On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: De-Mod..
I did say "pro team" not professional football team. But, being in Austin and reading the papers here, its the truth. We've lost out on AAA baseball, AFL teams (Wranglers are gone), and the D League basketball team plays to small crowds. My point was not that people are not interested in sports or that there is not enough money (there is enough) it is simply that Texas Sports is what the so-called "t-shirt" fans prefer. And by the way, I am not moderator, where did that come from??

Posted by: Class of '05 On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: RE: UT vs TAMU
YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. a&m HAS A WORLD CLASS FACILITIES BUT LACK WITH ACADEMIC RECOGNITION(S). tu IS ONE OF THE TOP WHEN IT COMES TO ENDOWMENTS. LAST I READ IT WAS HARVARD, PRINCETON, DUKE, UCLA, TEXAS AND NORTH CAROLINA. I WAS LOOKING FOR A&M IN THE RANKINGS...I THINK IT WAS WAY BELOW TOP 15 OR 25. I WAS WONDERING IF ITS GEOGRAPHIC SINCE NOTHING REALLY IS GOING ON IN THIS TOWN.

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: RE: miller58
I date myself a little there but the idea is that if we are maybe one true DE from a 4-3 and one or two big down linemen from a 3-4 then why not come up with SIX of the seven and use the nickel against the spread somewhat like the Mickens days. He played up on the line and could bring the rush or drop to coverage depending on the set. I think Hunter could bring it. Maybe not, just thinking. Instead of presenting "targets" on defense like last year it would create doubt in the offense's mind about who was coming. It works well against spreads and we saw it used last year. NEVER LET THEM KNOW WHERE YOU WILL BE ON DEFENSE when the ball is snapped. Remember opponents who used the MLB's jumping to the line then dropping to coverage or pressuring the QB. AND, it gets even more speed on the field which reminds me of that old football adage, "You either recruit speed or you chase it".

Posted by: miller58 On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: RE:Seeing Stars
My personal opinions:_____ Stars, Mickens was great!_____Another really great corner was John David, although he is remembered more for his offense!_____Miller58

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: Out Of Curiosity
While there seems to be a lull in the action, do you guys remember THE WRECKING CREW. Sure you do. Do you also remember Bob Davie and those Aggie defenses of the late 80's and early 90's. The ones that got you ranked with the very best in the nation. You rember some of the early "spread" philosophies like the Run-And-Shoot Houston Cougars. Remember how Davie made the Wrecking Crew the benchmark for defenses everywhere. Remember how he deployed it. I do. He used an ATTACK defense out of a base 3-4. THAT WAS THE WRECKING CREW, 3-4 ATTACK DEFENSE. Remember the players. Remember a player named Ray Mickens. I do. That guy was 5'8" MAX and 180 pounds MAX but he could cover a herd of cats by himself OR play up on the line with the big boys as a nickel back and absolutely toast your butt on the run. On the other end was a fellow named Buckley. Know who we have like that Mickens character. Maybe Trent Hunter. I saw some of that in him last year. Very young but oh what a talent. We will see where it goes from here but think of us with three down linemen, and 4 linebackers. The weakside OLB is Miller with the rush, the strongside OLB is replaced with Hunter the nickel back (now there are FIVE guys threatening the QB). Let's make it SEVEN and walk up the two inside backers to the line just before the snap. That's right....seven across the front threatening the rush. Can't double team that. Only five, sometimes six, will actually come but you don't know who is coming and who is dropping. Offensive lines have REAL responsibility problems with this and their QB's get REAL nervous (Klingler--Jimmy not David). Idea is to get so much pressure, the QB only has 2.5 - 3 seconds to get rid of it and I can cover man/man easily for that long. Opens up the power running game but really, does anyone (especially in the B-12 South) use any kind of power running game anymore? Nope, its east and west for the most part. I think Hunter needs to be more involved and have more opportunity each snap rather than being under-utilized at safety. You want to attack with a defense then this is how. Or you can sit back in base 4-3 like last year or base 3-4 where you don't have the players and get run over. Just a thought, out of curiosity, while there is a lull (also, just an opinion).

Posted by: On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: UT vs TAMU
A&M has bigger campus and may someday have more students. Other than that A&M gets to take the back seat. Yeah every once in a while we win chess but that is about it. We do not excel in sports that count or academics.

Posted by: mller58 On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: RE: Seeing Stars
My personal opinions:_____Stars, as you know the #22 ranking was based on quantity, but when ranked by quality, A&M was in the low 20's already?_____Then last years A&M team when ranked by difference makers, was tied with 7 other teams ranked between #30 and #37 ?_____If we lose one or more 4*/5's, last years team recruiting ranking by quality will be down in the 30's and by difference makers down in the 40'S?_____ The recuiting ranking this year is about #55, when compared to last year?_____just sick!_____mller58

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title:
The Rivals site has a section under "Rankings" titled "Enrolled Rankings". It is an adjustment of the team recruiting rankings AFTER fall enrollment. If we lose Judie (plus anyone else) we may fall a few places from our #22 slot we currently hold. Other teams have the same problem but we are very close in points to those right behind us considering these 4* players are usually worth well over 100 points each. Is there anyone else, no matter who, not on campus? Their arrival has been very low key this year.

Posted by: miller58 On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: FOUR STAR CORNER CORYELL JUDIE, WILL HE START AT A&M THIS FALL?
My personal opinions:_____Another coaching staff screw up?_____When Judie first was recruited, Was Judies' elgibiity checked and he told by A&M, what courses to take this spring to be eligible to enter A&M this summer?_____Thanks for the info, Stars!_____I guess we'll just have to keep asking, until someone will spill the secret?_____Seems like everyone just wants this question to go away?_____Our current staff has committed and signed classes of 3 difference makers(and another 4 committed by the previous staff; wishthey had re-recruited and signed the up to 20 difference makers he previous staff was bringing to '08?), 5, and 3 in the current class!_____That 11 by the current 10 coaches in 3 signing classes, is less than any single class signed by mac and tu last 3 classes?_____mac has three classes of 16, 14 and 12 difference makers, more than 'Friend Sherman committed and signed 11, in all 3 classes!_____miller58

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: RE: miller58
I brought that same question before. Does anybody know? Here is what I find. Go to: coryell judie - college football recruiting 2009 - espn. Then click on "view full on the trail". What I see is an update on 6/30/2009 (they update almost every day) stating : "hopes to graduate in december and enroll in january". I don't think that is old news because that was not the plan last year. Maybe that has something to do with why only A&M and UAB were the only ones to offer the #28 JUCO player in the nation. And as I have said before, this will be very embarrassing with as much chest pounding as has gone on over being so sure about character and grades even before athletic ability. If not an issue then we are on the wrong path but you sure can't depend on the eagle or athletic dept to keep us posted. We will probably hear about it first from brent zwernaman and the san antonio papers if it is true. Back to that "trust but verify" issue again.

Posted by: miller58 On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title: IS THIS ANOTHER CASE OF COMPLETE INCOMPETENCE?
My personal opinions:_____According to the Aggie Spin Machine earlier, our Starting corner was supposed to be 4* JUCO CB Coryell Judie 5-11 185 4.4 this fall, and to be on campus at the start of his summer?_____He is not on campus, and it was reported on a blog, that he had not taken, and completed all the course work required to be eligible to enter A&M._____My question is, since only the A&M registers office could evaluate his course work, and determine which juco courses he additionally needs to enter A&M, what is the secret result of when he can take and complete this course work?_____All sorts of speculation on fall courses, spring courses etc. which I won't repeat!_____I ask this question once before, and got only the Aggie Spin Machine seemingly lies, that it wasn't the a&M coach's responsibility to help a soph juco committing to A&M, determine what he needs to do to ensure his eligibility?_____Does anyone know yet, does Judie have to take courses this fall or next spring, that he should have already taken to be eligible?_____Will he start this fall in this most critical position, or was this just another complete incompetent breakdown?_____I have no confidence in this coaching staff!_____10 coaches hired by A&M in '07 whose resumes clearly show that they all 10 in the previus 5 years signed absolutely no 5* and only two 4* players, is simply not up to the job to compete with tu, ou and nebraska, etc. as demonstrated by their first 3 signing class results to date!_____miller58

Posted by: On: 7/1/2009

Comment Title:
Its a good thing you dont have to pass some sort of football competancy test before you can post here or some would be elsewhere.

Posted by: Sister On: 6/30/2009

Comment Title: re- miller58
We appreciate your OPINION. It gives us another side to consider. Keep the posts coming.

Posted by: De-Modulator On: 6/30/2009

Comment Title: re: Pablo, oops I mean Moderator
Wouldn't the Moderator just contact miller directly at his email he signed up with? Another attempt to silence the critics with threat because fact escapes your argument. And geez pablo, you get weaker every post. The tu football team is why austin does not have a pro team ?????? There are some places in florida that haven't received your message yet and when you get through there you need to examine a couple of spots in california. Then we will have more fun with our tour of the u.s.

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/30/2009

Comment Title: Class '05, my Longhorn thoughts
Didn't mean to sound dismissive about your point that UT is cleaning up in apparel sales. I work in Austin and I can tell you why we don't have a pro team.. UT Football. To their credit they field a great team (not the case when I went to A&M) and having been to a few football games at DKR.. not a bad experience. That said, the 12th Man and our gameday experience is better in so many ways. Been told that by other Longhorn friends and visitors. Its unfortunate that B/CS is less than half the market of the Austin metro. That coupled with great exposure (due to a winning program) is the basis for high sales. I'm just ready to pounce on a Aggie Team that catches lighting in a bottle and look forward to seeing the Aggies claim a National Championship. Longhorns waited for more than 30 years until 2005. We have not had such excitement since Sir Parker took that swing pass for a TD vs. Kansas State. I can't wait, but I won't be satisfied with Big 12 titles only to fall on faces in a BCS Bowl.. we need to win and win BIG! Who cares about the 'horns??

Posted by: Moderator On: 6/30/2009

Comment Title: miller58
Miller, if you keep up your attacks on the A&M head football coach you will be banned from this site.

Posted by: On: 6/30/2009

Comment Title:
Get rid of McKinney and you are almost home free. His involvement in back-room plitics and one man search committees is leading to the destruction of a fine university from both an athletic and academic standpoint. He is the stick that stirs the pot. The academic side of the house is apparently having to take up the battle to rid us of this tyrant because it is evident the good ole boys on the athletic side are gutless wonders happy with the current state of affairs.

Posted by: class of 05 On: 6/30/2009

Comment Title: RE: Pablo On: 6/30/2009
Pablo...chill out man. Miller is really stressing you out. Well in my defense, I was just responding to the article above (by the author). Just so to prove that SOME are aggies optimistic and open minded. If we suck...hey then we suck right? All i can say is this...if the administration is messing up with the Murano incident and all, what more can we expect of our athletics? Talking about our school going broke while our rival is banking it. Heck, we even owe 'em money. Trust me I know. I'm just one of guys in BCS losing interest with our competitiveness. But still let's gig 'em

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/30/2009

Comment Title: SportingNews RANKINGS?
My personal opinions:_____A&M is ranked 18 spots lower than baylor and 3 spots lower than Arkansas State._____If we still have the same coach by the time we play these two, A&M is ranked too high?_____miller58

Posted by: On: 6/30/2009

Comment Title:
I want to see us win it all too but i am not willing to wait. i want it to happen soon and the sooner we get rid of these old school coaches the sooner it will happen.

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/30/2009

Comment Title: Could care less about UT
Class of '05.. why is that relevant to this discussion about A&M? If they don't win a National Championship then they are no different than all other D-1 schools that failed to do so. Are we to be happy with being competitive in the Big 12? Wining a title here and there, going to a BSC bowl on a good year, but failing to win it? Been there, done that! - I want to see us win it all! I'm willing to wait.

Posted by: Observer On: 6/30/2009

Comment Title: Question
How did rivals and scouts misevaluate all of frans three star recruits that are on the roster to the point where we have no talent yet all of shermans three star talent, evaluated by the same people, are much better than frans??? Same star value, same ranking source, different result ????????

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/30/2009

Comment Title: WHAT IS THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO 'FRIEND SHERMAN TODAY?
My personal opinions:_____Quote, "This security guard will give you a half hour to pack your office, and escort you off campus"!_____miller58

Posted by: Sister On: 6/30/2009

Comment Title: re-pablo
Taylor became "yours" (not your boy) when you brought him to this party. You ARE who you associate with, literally and figuratively. Maybe you should be as critical of some of shermans moves and comments as you are of those made by posters on this blog.

Posted by: Class of '05 On: 6/30/2009

Comment Title: UT vs aTm
Well, when it comes to accomplishments aTm has an edge in the latter part of this year. When it comes to overall UT outscored aTm. They are 6th in the Directors' Cup, they are no. 1 nationally when it comes to athletics earning by 120 million dollars this year despite the economic struggles. They have had multiple national TV spots (w/c is good for the state and the recruits) and by winning BCS major bowl earning them #2 spot preseason ranking. So there.

Posted by: Muskrat58 On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: What we need.
From where I stand:----All we need is a coach who can properly recruit and, well, coach.----Muskrat58

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: Miller58 stop the personal attacks.
Miller-You are completely out of line this time.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: RE: Pablo
My personal opinions:____Pablo, you are an idiot?____miller58

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: RE: Pablo
My personal opinions:____Pablo, this information was well know and even on ESPN Sportscenter the day Sherman was fired!____You can use any general search engine (try google) to find out why Sherman was fired?____Why would McKinney, Byrne, RC, and 'Friends of Sherman subject A&M this definite losing?____Why would you think Sherman can compete against Mack's 4*'s and 5*'s using his poorly coached NR, 2*/3*'s?____The Aggie Spin machine created this problem and the only solution is to fire it!____miller58

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: Provide some sources Miller58
You say "reportedly" Sherm was fired from Green Bay for his inability to evaluate talent.. OK, I'm game, where's the link to this?

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: that should read "opinion"
sorry about the typo -:)

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: Taking off the rivals/scout.com sunglasses
When you boil it down folks, its OPIONION. What irks me is how a few so-called Aggies will take such opinion as the gospel truth and run around yelling "the sky is falling!" - "fire the coach!" I'm just trying to interject to reasonableness into our conversation. I do not think it is reasonable to pooh-pooh the latest recruits, simply because they are not ranked as high because they are not media darlings or what not. It (rivals/scout services) has a use, but it also has warts.

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: When did Randy Taylor become my boy?
Sister, you're quick tempter is resulting in a breakdown in logic. I thought we were discussing this, but I see you don't take to kindly to a disagreement, eh?

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: Saban comment..
How is that any different from Stars comment about Sherman?

Posted by: Sister On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: re-pablo (and another thing)
Your RANDY TAYLOR is on the staff of univ of minnesota since 2008. At the time of your quoted statement by him (see your post on 6/28) where he is downing RIVALS he was TAYLOR SCOUTING SERVICES and was employed by SCOUT.COM. That would have been the five years before he joined the minnesota staff. You sound more and more like McKinney and the good ol boys every day, trying to slide something by because you think nobody is watching. Fire your publicist and get some new material please. (Or do you really want to believe that badly).

Posted by: Sister On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: oh yeah, pablo
Your post below on 6/27 from loserswithsocks.com is a quote from a blogger who is trying to convince the site that he has knowledge of a conversation saban supposedly had with jake heaps. IT WAS NOT A QUOTE FROM SABAN. saban NEVER offered heaps, check for yourself. As far as taylor goes, he is trying to lure lesser athlete's families and their dollars to his employer by telling them not to worry about what rivals/scouts thinks of their skills, his company can help. Just trying to drum up some business by taking advantage of the "little league mom" perception that parents have of their kids. You know, like my son is the best player on the team and he should be starting instead of the coach's son.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: RE: TAYLOR AND SABAN
My personal opinions:_____ One of the reportedly two biggest reasons for 'Friend Sherman being fire at Greenbay, was his "inability to evaluate player personel"!_____Reportedly this cost Greenbay several games over the years?_____Playing fish over a fourth round NFL draft pick, that made the carolina panthers team and just signed a lucrative 4 year contract is just one example of many at A&M in both recruiting and on the field_____Shermans inability to evaluate player personel showed, in all 12 A&M games last year and his first 3 signing classes!_____miller58

Posted by: Sister On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title:
Heavens Pablo !!! For the 100th time, YES, A LOT OF PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH SOME OF WHAT THEY SAY !!! The ranking is their own AND it is subjective. They simply say, here is who we are, here is the hard data on the players, and here is our take on their relative ranking, some of which is subjective. Very good but still subjective. An example: a quarter back at a 2A high school with better stats than one at a 5A high school may not be ranked as high because of competition faced. Again subjective. If you have any sense though, you will not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Go ahead and do away with them and make the job of every recruiter in the country just a little more difficult. Next thing you will gripe about is how the players dont do reps on the weight bench correctly at the Nike camps. You got a better way, let's hear it.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: A&M DEVASTATED BY 'FRIEND SHERMAN"S RECRUITING!
My personal opinions:_____When 'Friend Sherman was hired. A&M was 30 four and five star difference makers behind tu, and and A&M was bringing up to 20 difference makers to the '08 class._____'Friend Sherman promptly didn't re-recrruit most of them, and signed crappy classes of only 7, 5 and 3 difference makers, and today we are 50 (FIFTY AND no/100) difference makers behind tu!_____Losing ground every day, the current 4*/5* recruiting standings are:_____tu has 16 four and five star difference makers out of 19 commits;_____ nebraska 4 of 5;_____ou has 6 of 13;_____Okie lite has 2 of 11;_____and A&M has 3 of 17!_____A&M projects at a ~ #55 recruiting ranking this year?_____A&M must have 10 to 22 difference makers every year to catch up with the 50 we are behind tu, today; another class with only 3 to 5 difference makers, just puts us just in last place forever and behind farther!_____miller58

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: So you agree with Saban and Taylor?
They don't put as much faith in rivals.com, yet you seem to overstate their influence in the minds of major programs at the highest level. I can agree that they are a 'good' source of vitals, but it seems as if some of you guys won't accept the fact that some coaches and college scouts disagree with some of their evaluations. What gives?

Posted by: Sister On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: re-pablo
Absolutely. There are gaps in the fence but it is the best fence we have and the fence builders work daily to close those gaps. Sometimes it seems to be an impossible task but they keep trying til someone has a better way. Right now, for a majority of quality players in the nation, this may be one of the best places for a recruiter to collectively view skill set data, physical characteristics, statistical high school position history over 2 years, and objective/subjective peer group comparison. Remove rivals, scout, etc and we have no fence at all.

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: Rival is no different Sister
You could use the same argument for rivals.com or scout.com. Following the money always turns up a few bad apples. Please understand that I am not saying the evaluators and local media sources that work for rivals or scout pr ESPN do not know anything. I am simply pointing out how there are gaps in the fence. Miller and rivals.com supports would have us believe there are none, I can plainly see more than a couple.

Posted by: Sister On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: Sources
The sources you claim that knock the recruiting services have a reason for doing so. They make money off of families by representing their son or daughter to colleges and universities across the nation. You pay them a fee, they send in your athletes accomplishments, no guarantees. They would have you believe that the services dont know what they are doing and they do so you will hire their people. They need to convince the low ranked athletes that they have a chance if they sign on with them because the higher ranked athletes do not need their services. Dig a little deeper into your source.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/29/2009

Comment Title: AFTER RECRUITING CLASSES OF ONLY 7, 5 and 3 4*/5*'s, 'FRIEND SHERMAN HAS US 50 BEHIND tu TODAY?
My personal opinions:_____When Mckinney, RC and some former football players Friend Sherman was officially hired in Nov'07, unofficially earlier, A&M was 30 four and five star difference makers behind ut, and bring in uo to 20 more to the '08 class_____Now with some of the most crappy recruiting I can ever remember, even worse than Rc in the early 2000's, A&M has fallen behind tu by 50 difference maker players today!_____Just 3 to 5 difference makers is simply just a drop in the bucket when we are 50 behind?_____Just got to get a new coach today, with a history of recently recruiting 10 to 22 the first full year and every year, only answer._____Definitely no more Friends of Mckinney, RC and some former football players wanted!_____miller58

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: Begining to see the light.. it ain't pretty folks
Since I have some time to kill.. went on a google hunt, turned up this gem from 'Bama HC Nick Saban, check out what he would like to see corrected about the recruiting process - http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1245485722304840.xml&coll=2

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: I see there is no real good arguments to refute the bias?
That many teams recruit the same players that are on high up on the rivals list is to be expected. I never said they do not know what they are doing, I did say post some links to discussions from other experts (them, not me) to point out how pointless it is to say A&M is going to hell in a hand-basket because we are signing "leftovers." AGAIN.. real slow now.. Wins and Losses.. not rivals rankings will be judge of the Mike Sherman era.

Posted by: Observer On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: Whiny Imposters
Not sure who's making all these posts, but this is my first post on this thread! To hell with this thread and Pablo/miller58!

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: RE: CoachMikeSherman
My personal opinions:____Coach Sherman, welcome to the discussion?____miller58

Posted by: CoachMikeSherman On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: Follow me on Twitter.com!
Follow me on Twitter! Just search for "Baylor is A&M's Daddy"!

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: miller58
Miller you are an erratic idiot!

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: CHANCELLOR MCKINNEY TO BE INSTALLED AS HEAD FOOTBALL COACH AT A&M?
My personal opinions:____And has 10-12 4*/5* diffence makers committed to play for McKinney only if Sherman is fired?____miller58

Posted by: Snotty (not snooty) On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: re- Pablo
Snooty. On an internet blog ??? You have to be kidding !!! Now there are limits but snooty just crosses the line dont you think?? What is this world coming to ???

Posted by: On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: rating perception vs truth
I guess its just perception that the majority of teams who keep signing these highly starred players continue to finish in the top 10 or 15 in the nation. Its not real, just perception huh.

Posted by: Observer On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title:
Hey Pablo (or whoever you are) you want unscientific. Try the miss america pageant, local little league all-star selection, the heisman trophy, all-america, all-conference, the BCS, and even the selection process for the president for a great university. Lots is not scientific but we do what we can til something better comes along. Rivals and scout exist because the game has moved out of your back yard and gone coast to coast. Try recruiting within a 200 mile radius of Notre Dame. Some schools need outside help to find prospects and this is it. Never complain unless you have what you feel is a better way with specifics. We throw all the recruiting services out the window and we leave you with sherman, a car, and three newspapers. Good luck.

Posted by: Observer On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title:
How about this for a site....."TANK SHERMAN".

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: Here's my point..
Plenty of impostors trying to blur my line of questioning for Miller and those that would put all their eggs in the basket called rivals. A question was lobbed earlier asking the difference between a 5.7 and 5.8 player. The response was somewhat snootily shot back that there was a big difference. However after my (admittedly) novice google of rivals bias, I was amazed to see how unscientific the ratings have become. That there have been claims of coach's schmoozing "the internet guys" even if only half truthful speak to how powerful the "perception" of the ratings have become over the truth. If you can follow that logic you can understand why I will defer my analysis of the state of Aggie Football to W's & L's. Anything else is pure conjecture on our part as passionate fans who want to see us win at any cost, even if it means changing coaches out every year.

Posted by: On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title:
Why dont kids want to come here? We were told when sherman took over that they would flock in because he had the whole nfl on speed dial.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: MCKINNEY, RC, AND SOME FORMER FOOTBALL PLAYERS FRIEND SHERMAN HAS SIGNED CLASSES OF ONLY 7, 5 and 3 4*/5*'s AND IS NOW 50 BEHIND tu!
My personal opinions: _____Time for 'Friend Sherman to resign!_____miller58

Posted by: Pablo (this time) On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title:
I have launched another attempt to put an end to a conversation that is not going my way. I have done it before and will do it again. You cannot stop me or any of my other identities that log on from time to time. I am an expert in football baseball and basketball. GRAB YOUR AXE HANDLES BOYS, THERES WORK TO BE DONE !!!

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: MIKE SHERMAN?
My personal opinions:_______Coaching?_______miller58

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: RE: Sister
My personal opinions:____The only reason there are so many ____'s in my posts is because I use a typeset code that was developed for the mentally disabled?_____4*/5* difference makers will keep a new coach at A&M?_____miller58

Posted by: Sister On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: Imposters
I am not sure who is making these false posts, but this is my first time posting on this thread.

Posted by: Sister On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: re-miller58
Miller isn't that comment a bit out of context for you? Care to explain any of it?

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: RE: Sister
My personal opinions:____Sister, are you also hearing the rumblings that the Aggie Spin Machine is trying to force Cassidy out?____To this date, the whole A&M staff has only signed 1 5* difference maker?____While ou and tu have signed 72?____I beleive Sherman is the right coach and will get it done but we need a new coach who can burn the good ole boy network?____Can you beleive that Cassidy actually recruited 4* playmaker Cody Green for Nebraska while we was still presently coaching at A&M?____My tee time is at 12 NOON every saturday and I'm sure I wont be missing anything from the multiple 40+ blowout losses at Kyle field this coming fall, with McKinney/Sherman at head coach?____As soon as we get a new head coach who can sign the 22 4*/5* difference maker in some February, I'll be back at Kyle with my beloved Aggie friends?____miller58

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: RE: Sister
My personal opinions:_____ Sister, Tim cassidy was cleared by the ncaa to contact recruits while employed at Nebraska?_____Do you happen to know if Cassidy could contact recruits in November '07 or earlier on A&M's behalf, once he accepted the A&M job and resigned Nebraska?_____Thanks, miller58

Posted by: Sister On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: re - pablo
Also, where was our "signing day booster party held". And give me a site where I can read exactly what randy taylor had to say.

Posted by: Sister On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: re-pablo
"the local internet guy would make a call based on questions we asked him"...got any idea what you just printed. The NCAA prohibits such action and contact by anyone not directly employed by the university and cleared by the NCAA... sherman could not even call a kid or talk to someone outside about a kid til cleared by the NCAA in late December. The only info sharing allowed is info available to the public which is one of the reasons why recruiting services post info the way they do. Like Seeing Stars said...you sure dont know enough about recruiting services to be making the statements challenging their data. You just dont like their results.

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: RE: Pablo
Yes, a players stock does rise with more offers. Seems to make sense as well. It will not take much digging into the rivals site to find their explanation of exactly how they rank their recruits. I am surprised you don't know that based on all the things you have to say about them. As far as who the player was, it is not the focus of the post. The intent of the post was to inform those of you who UNCONDITIONALLY back sherman in ALL of his activities should maybe re-evaluate and be a little more critical and take each area in question as an operation of its own. There was one other I know of as well. Could have been more, I don't know. TRUST but VERIFY should be the approach. Not UNCONDITIONAL coach-love. Some of you, like the unnamed poster below, know who he is and I am in no way stating he would have been a "difference maker" at A&M but Pablo, there ARE kids who are not financially able to attend college these days if it were not for the scholarships offered based on their athletic ability. This kid had 9 D-1 offers. How would you like to lose a full ride offer to Stanford. The situation was explained, the point was made, and not knowing right now how his family would feel about it, I personally don't feel a need or see a reason to provide his name to "ambulance chasers". Out on this subject.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: MCKINNEY, RC AND SOME FORMER FOOTBALL PLAYERS FRIEND SHERMAN JUST CAN'T SIGN THE 10 TO 22 4*/5* PLAYERS TO COMPETE WITH tu AND ou!
My personal opinions:_____ 'Friend Sherman desperately tried and simply failed!_____The closest he ever came was when 14 difference makers committed to A&M, and 'Friend Sherman was able to hold on to 4 of Fran's commits add 3 and sign a total of 7?_____'Friend Sherman then bombed with only 5 signed in the next class and is worse in the current class with a sick 3!_____When 'Friend Sherman was hired in Nov'07, A&M was 30 4*/5*'s behind tu and up to 20 difference makers were being brought to the '08 class by Fran,_____'Friend Sherman's signing of three classes of only 7, 5 and 3 has dropped A&M to a horrible 50 4*/5*'s behind tu._____'Friend Sherman should resign today before it gets any worse._____His poor coaching and even worse recruiting have us in last place now!_____We must have a coach that can sign 10 to 22 4*/5*'s the first full year on the job and every year._____With 73 top players now, tu is averaging signing 14 to 15 every year._____Of course, Friend Sherman's ineptness provides no competition, so it's doubly easy for tu._____miller58

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: From an expert...
"Based on 30 years in college football with time as a recruiting coordinator having several top 5 ranked classes I can tell you this about sites like Rivals. They have about as much impact on who we recruited as the local newspaper’s all conference teams. The value came when we wanted some inside information on a kid so we could get an advantage over our opponents. The local Internet guy would tell us what he knew or even make a call based on questions we asked him. When we offered a guy his star ranking would go up. In fact, recruiting coordinators around the country are schmoozing the local guys to get their class ranked higher to make them look better at their signing day booster party that night. Many head coaches are doing this too." - Randy Taylor, National Collegiate Scouting Association.

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: Seeing Stars.. give us some details please
You make every effort to call out Sherman, why do hide the name of the player? You say this one "was bad" well.. give us a name.

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: Follow up question to rivals.com gurus
Is it true that a players ranking will go up by simply being "offered" by a D-1 college?

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: Straight up question to the followers of rivals.com
Will a players ranking be affected by participating or not participating in an exhibition game like Army HS All-American Bowl? Of course they were invited but choose not to risk injury.

Posted by: Truant Officer On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title:
That's what I said. Bennett sat a game for his ttansgressions, came back and did it again. But we didnt have depth at defensive end so all was overlooked. In goodsons case, remove goodson from the boat, insert gray. Not much will beat a "full boat", just "4 of a kind". The amount of discipline directed at a position is in direct proportion to the positions depth.

Posted by: On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: Miller
Loston - would have never played for Fran after VIP, word is he won't qualify, even after enrolling in private Baton Rouge school his last semester Marin - we could use him at safety, no doubt about that Harris - he wanted an OU offer from day one, and he is no longer on the team Johnson - I could break my leg and outrun Johnson, an attitude problem we don't need who should fit in great with the 'sips Emanuel - we did not offer an Emanuel at LB, but Ibiloye who signed with OU would have been great KLM - was told not to take any visits, Go Irish! (Sedrick) Johnson - staff was disappointed he switched, but I'll take Tannehill 7 days a week and twice on Sunday Dean - transferred from UCLA to TCU, he visited, but we said no thanks

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: RE: (no name)
Let me just say I have been around the block on issues like this and this one was bad. The kid, his coach, and his family FULLY understood everything you state and have for several years. They, and their relatives, come from athletic backgrounds and have more experience than most during the recruiting season. Over and over the family and coach stated to A&M, through athletic dept personnel, "if I am not in your plans just say so and we can both move forward". They were ignored. They drove to the school as signing day was upon them and remained assured by face to face meetings with athletic dept personnel that the offer would be honered even though not made by the current staff. He had the offer, and you had the commit. Would you like a photo of sherman, just after arriving, with his arm around him saying "Stay with me and you will have a great future in football". In this case, on this issue, there was dirt all over it and I will not allow those few who happen to read these threads to believe otherwise. Sherman has some strenths as a football coach but he also has some weaknesses, weaknesses you need to know about. Facing challenges with current schemes current HS coaches, and today's 18 year old, that alone will be enough to do him in if he cannot overcome his shortfalls.

Posted by: On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: Truant
You do realize Bennett sat a game and his reps declined once he came back from his suspension?

Posted by: On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: Seeing Stars
Thank god football recruiting isn't as dirty as basketball, but it's close. There were two A&M commits that publicly switched to other schools the last week. One the coaches were upset about, the other they were not. I'm assuming one of the two was your friend's son. Rarely does a school pull a committable offer from a kid without a reason. Doing so basically guarantees you will never pull another kid from that school as long as one of the two coaching staffs are intact. If coaches find a kid does not fit their system or if a better prospect comes along, they may find a "reason" to pull the ship: grades, attitude, discipline, the kid takes other visits once committed, etc. These rules do not apply the same to all recruits. For instance, we (and most schools) will allow certain top recruits to take additional visits, despite being committed. However, another kid may not have that same luxury, which results in a "slow play" scenario. Another example of a "slow play" is a staff telling a kid he has a verbal offer, which is not necessarily committable because it is not the formal written offer. There are a lot of gray areas in recruiting. I'm glad your friend's son got into a good program. If it's who I think it is, he happened to get into one of best combinations of athletics/academics there is.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: RE; 'FRIEND SHERMANS '08 SIGNING CLASS?
My personal opinions:_____First, 'Friend Sherman was officially hired in Nov'07, how long before that unofficially?_____Second Sherman obviously didnt re-recruit and sign Coach Fran's commits like 5*Loston S, 4*Martin S, 4*Harris CB, 4*Johnson LB, 4* Emanuel LB, 4*Lewis-moore DE, 4*C.Johnson WR, and 4*Dean RB; or else we'd have a decent defense?_____The only reason 'Friend Sherman signed 7 diffrence makers that year, was that 4 of Fran's stayed; and since, 'Friend Sherman has had crappy classes of only 5 and 3 difference makers, so far?_____If 'Friend Sherman had re-recruited and signed all of the four and five stars that A&M committed that year, we'd have had a class of 14 difference makers._____ Fran was bringing up to 20 difference maker with him to the '08 class, but most of them just chose not to be re-recruited by 'Friend Sherman_____'Friend Sherman just can't recruit competitively with mac ans stoops, and must be forced to resign immediately!_____miller58

Posted by: On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: re- unnamed poster
The 2008 OL were already committed. The issue with what Sherman would have done isn't about talent, it's about position. The roster was to guard heavy. Sherman would have recruited more tackles in the '08 class, which is why you have seen 7 of his first 8 OL as tackles. You are also looking at an NFL approach to drafting/recruiting OL. The wide majority of first day OL picks in the NFL are tackles or center, few guards. Most GM's/coaches feel they can slide a tackle inside if he cannot cut it. The reverse is very difficult.

Posted by: On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: re- unnamed poster
If sherman did so well in 2008 by signing all the talent in two months then why did he struggle more the next year and for 2010 he isnt ripping it up either. Maybe because ib 2008 the recruits thought the same thing we did then they saw the real story. Seeing as how you know sherman so well could you tell us if the linemen and other players he signed were his first choices before the recruiting got underway or were they the choices he was left with after the kids said dont bother. If they were his first choices then he seems to go against the grain when it comes to opinions of many others as far as talent goes.

Posted by: Truant Officer On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title:
How do I like a coach not afraid to discipline his best player. Maybe you can tell me why Bennett played when he had class attendance issues, was sat on the bench, returned, then had class attendance issues again. Its called selective enforcement.

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: RE: (no name)
LET ME ASSURE YOU OF SOMETHING....Sherman did NOT honor Texas A&M's commits that were extended under Franchione !!!! GET OFF OF THAT RIGHT NOW! AS a matter of fact, he handled at LEAST two in one of the most unprofessional manners I have witnessed in many years. I sir, have a personal friend whose son was one of them. This is not sour grapes because he did not get the A&M scholarship. He had SEVERAL other offers from good programs. The "slow play" and failure to address the situation as signing day approaced cost this young man 5 options as schools filled up scholarships because this man and the program would not return phone calls to him, his coach, or his family. He was offered, he had committed, and he was waiting instructions on what to do as signing day approached. He got a scholarship to a very competitive team and I will leave it at that. These are 18 year old kids with bright lights in their eyes not the NFL. Go anywhere you want, but NEVER paint this group as "holier-than-thou" when it comes to dealing with kids and coaches across the country. (This is not my opinion. THIS IS FACT !!).

Posted by: On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title:
Miller, how do you attribute 3 recruiting classes to Sherman. For the 2008 class, Sherman was hired in December and was only able to fill the final 8 spots in that class. He could have cut a few lose recruited by Fran's coaches, but he chose to honor all of the commits. Of the remaining 8, three were 4*, all 8 played last year, and 6 of them started at least half the year. The kids showing up in August are the first full class he has recruited, and this is a class that meets our needs. I don't care what Rivals stars are assigned, Sherman got 3 of the top 5 OL he offered, the top RB in Texas, the top TE in Texas, two WR that OU wanted (that makes 3 WR we have taken from them in just over a year), and plenty of quality DB's and LB's. If you will take a minute to look beyond the star ratings, you will find he was able to convince two defensive players to turn down TCU full rides and walk-on for now. This is the same TCU that has had one of the top statistical defenses in the NCAA this decade and has regularly placed one or two defensive players in the league each year. The only item missing from the 2009 class is a speed pass rushing specialist, which is being addressed in the 2010 class. The 2010 is off to a great start. If we close with Matthews, Nelson, Lewis, Hurd, and Fobbes plus get a couple of our 5.7 bumped to 5.8, even you might be satisfied with the 2010 class. Hey, it's not all sunshine and the jury is still out on Sherman. We will probably have another 4-8 season because we simply don't have the horses. But give the man a chance to at least get some of the 2008 class to seniors and then we will know if Sherman is the guy or not. As for MartyB and Goodson, they were always 3 year guys from the moment they set foot on campus. And as for Goodson not playing as much as you feel he should have, maybe he would have played more if he had gone to class and had a better attitude (how do you like a coach not afraid to discipline his best player?). Even if he had played, I'm not sure he would have done well behind Fran's 5 guards. I shouldn't have brought up Fran, becuase it will make me start talking about his lost nerve and mistake of shifting to the Utah spread option after losing to Tennessee. He had his chance to build on 7-5 with a Heisman candidate, but chose a different path.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: MIKE GOODSON SIGNS FOUR YEAR DEAL WITH NFL CAROLINA PANTHERS!
My personal opinions:_____Relagated mostly to the bench in favor of fish, MIKE Goodson told 'Friend Sherman bye, skipped his senior year, was drafted in the fourth round, made the team and just signed a lucrative 4 year contract with the nfl Carolina Panthers!_____Congratulations!_____While A&M seems to run off 3rd year players like Martellus and Goodson, Mac keeps his like McCoy this year, a TE last year, etc. and this is the reason mac has an 82 % retention rate!_____Keeping an extra less than 2 players per year, especially when they are senior studs, is just another reason why 'Friend Sherman must go now; and why mac has a 10% higher retension rate and up to 200%+ higher winning rate than A&M!_____Less than 2 players per year adds 10% to your retension rate over 5 years?_____By the way, A&M and the all the teams that played in mnc's this decade had the same 72% retension rate except mac; this is the reason for the ncaa penalty for running off too many players, now!_____ Sometimes it's just the little things that make the difference in losers and winners?_____In A&M's case it seems to be both the big and little things that make us losers in last place now?_____miller58

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/28/2009

Comment Title: A&M RECRUITING WILL BE RANKED AT #55 PLUGED IN TO LAST YEARS RANKINGS?
My personal opinions:_____When McKinney and RC's Friend Sherman was hired in 2007, A&M has signed 32 difference makers with four and five star speed, athleticism and size; and after 3 signing classes under 'Friend Sherman, A&M has dropped to only 23?_____In 2007 tu had 62 signed difference makers and today after 'Friend Sherman's 3 years of inept recruiting, tu is up to 73 signed difference makers?_____A&M at 23 of 85; and tu at 73 of 85!_____This poor coaching and even worse recruiting by 'Friend Sherman must not be allowed to continue another day!____ Mac is now up today to 50 more top players than 'Friend Sherman!_____Is it any wonder A&M is ranked in last place, and our coaching has been called "dead last" in the national publications?_____miller58

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title:
From Pesident of the United States to the manager at Walmart, someone somewhere will take issue with what you are doing and has a way to do it better. Say what you will of the recruiting sources (rivals, scout, etc). They get some wrong (which you do when evaluating a fluid, 3000-5000 player market) but get a lot more right and more importantly to a coach they are, if nothing else, a source of who is doing what, and recruiting who, and signing where, and committing to who, and is interested in what schools, and runs how fast, and weighs how much, and has compiled what stats. The very few people who continually talk down the recruiting analysts could be the ones not landing the recruits. If you want to somehow explain your recruiting shortfall by tearing down the recruiting sources as not knowledgeable, have a ball, rely on your own ability only, and be one of the very few. Just realize something. The guys who make a living at this are not shabby player evaluators, they are excellent and they provide more nuetral evaluations than maybe the kid's coaching staff would. That is how they got their job. They may not have qualities necessary to be a great coach (X's and O's) but they can sure evaluate talent just like team scouts and player personnel departments within the pro ranks. Tell them what you need at a position and they will show you the talent to get it done. There are also a lot of good coaches, GM's, and team owners who rely on talent evaluators to find players who have high POTENTIAL to fit their needs, needs as defined to them by the coaching staff. Who do you think is pulling the strings and making final decisions on draft day and whose input do you think they rely on most heavily. How many head coaches do you see at those tables. And, THE STAR RANKING IS POTENTIAL ONLY based on a skill sets, physical characteristics, and accomplishments to date. A lot can happen as a kid goes from high school to college or college to pro, good and bad. It's up to the kid and it's up to the coach as well. These recruiting sources are the best we have right now and the teams consistently landing 10 plus four and five star receuits are the ones usually in the top 10-20 teams in the nation. Unlike a coach, these recruiting analysts full-time job is looking at high school talent. They do a good job and their opinion is sought out by many a media source. Coaches like to meet with the recruit personally usually before offering. Without these sources you would really rack up some frequent flyer miles to VERIFY what some local individual may have told you. Four and five star players are NOT all guaranteed difference makers but a very high percentage are. In case you have been in a coma for the last 10 years here is a scoop. The pro game is way different than the college game today and the transition is too. Don't believe it then just ask Sherman then go figure the percentage of Heisman Trophy Winners who made it to the Pro Football Hall of Fame?

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: Uh oh... rivals.com may not be the best measuring stick?
"I was going over the Rivals Top 100 recruits through the years, and noticed few if any make it to an NFL roster. Actually very few seem to even make an impact in college. Of the 300 players selected as the top 100 recruits coming out of high school between 2002-2004, I am only seeing 2 Potential NFL Hall of Famers, Haloti Ngata (#2 in 2002), Adriane Peterson (#1 in 2004). Still too early to comment on guys from the Rivals 2005 class. So what's my point? Point is don't get too happy if your school got a "good" recruiting class, it does not mean jack." - http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33834

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: More rivals.com concern...
Just doing a quick google search for rivals and how they come up with rankings and you find some glaring concerns.. Counselor, I would be concerned. Check this link out... http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1666375

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: What some coaches think of rivals.com
"The family is taking all of this in stride… from what I understand Jake spoke to several big time coaches yesterday that contacted him to make sure that he knew that they thought the Rivals thing proved how little the Rivals guys know about football. Heck Nick Saban personally offered Jake a Scholarship last night and laughed off the ranking slight." If you want to read on check this link out: http://loserswithsocks.com/2009/04/23/jake-heaps-hates-rivals/

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: Shed some light will ya?
Is a player's GPA factored into their rival's ranking? Which positions have the higher GPA's on average? I read/heard somewhere that OL (offensive linemen) skew numbers as a result, bunk?

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: RE; Seeing Stars
My personal opinions:_____Star, good example!_____miller58

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title:
Andrew Hendrix is the #11 pro-style QB in the nation. Matt Joekel is the #19. At #19 Hendrix is the #200 player ranked in the top 250. We go all the way to the 250th player and we do not pick up the #12 pro-style QB (Montana). How many players then are between #11 Hendrix and #19 Joekel if #12 Montana is not even in the top 250. Henrix is a 5.8 and Joekel is a 5.7. See what a difference there can be between 5.7 and 5.8.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: RE: 92 Ag
My personal opinions:_____92 Ag, the answer to y0ur question about, why would players in the early Texas Top 40 fall later in the season is simple!_____Two reasons: One is, as other players are measured and compared at the multiple various college and nike camps during the summer, new players that are measured to be faster, more athletic and bigger move up and displace former top 40 players!_____The second reason is Texas top forty are suddenly compared to players in 50 other states and canada, lined up with only the top ~425 designated four and five star players._____If there are 425 players that are measured faster, more athletic and bigger, you may be Texas top forty, but not cut it in the top 425 in the nation!_____Right now, based on last year's team recruiting rankings, A&M would slot in at about a ranking of #55 nationally!_____miller58

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: RE: Sister
My personal opinions:_____EXACTLY !!! _____miller58

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: Sherman/Kines too old?
Maybe they have some miles on the engine, but I will base my opinion on W's and L's.. nothing else! I will not pretend to know the mind of a teenager, however I have heard my oldest change her mind at whims notice. I think the answer to better recruiting is more W's than L's.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: RE: 92 Ag
My personal opinions:_____92Ag, the answer to your question is very simple?_____'Friend Sherman after three years of signing classes has dropped to "50" less four and five star playertalent than mac and tu!_____Players are ranked four and five star because they are measured to have more speed, athleticism and size than A&M's lower ranked 2 and 3 star players._____If A&M has 4 players, as in your example, that are later ranked as barely fast enough, barely athletic enough and barely size wise enough to squeeze in the bottom of the next higher ranking, just four A&M players do almost absolutely nothing to close the gap of team speed, athleticism and size of 50 tu players talent, or the gap of 34 ou players talent._____Even if we closed the huge talent gap with tu and ou, 'Friend Sherman has shown the ability to coach them like crap, with the inability to even evaluate players and the inability to even instill team discipline?_____miller58

Posted by: Sister On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: 5.7 vs 5.8
Because there is something lacking that just keeps him from being rated a 4 star prospect. Just like a woman, there are 9's who just do not measure up to the 10's like myself for example.

Posted by: 92ag On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: Why is a 5.8 a difference maker and a 5.7 not?
Miller58/Muskrat, we currently have six commits that are rated 5.7, which is the highest rated 3* (Askew, Joeckel, Klinke, Moore, Patterson, and Showers). Why is a 5.8 (4*) a difference maker, but a 5.7 is not? If these guys get a 4* rating the next go 'round, do they all of a sudden become difference makers? As for last years class, 6 of our recruits were ranked in the preseason top 40 in Texas, which was the cutoff for 4*, but fell out as the year progressed. Were they difference makers at the beginning of the year but no longer at the end? What happened to make them fall and lose their difference maker luster? I don't understand these things and I need a wise follower of recruiting like yourself to explain it to me.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: CORECTION ON POST BELOW!
My personal opinions:_____My tall, very blond, and very beautiful administrative assistant signed my post miller68 and that importantly should be corrected to read miller58!_____miller58

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: ou LANDS RIVALS 100 BACK: A&M LANDS IN LAST PLACE, STILL?
My personal opinions:_____ou landed 4*rivals 100 back Roy Finch 5-8 170 4.45 over offers from south carolina, tenn, alabama, fla state, georgia and a whole bunch of others!_____That makes 7 difference makers out of 13 commits, for stoops._____'Friend Sherman is stuck at 3 difference makers out of 17 commits; and A&M gers farther behind, every day._____Mac has committed 16 difference makers out of 19 commits, so far?_____miller68

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: RE: Pablo
My opinion is that you can recruit or you can't and you can coach or you can't. Not talking about being a "good" recruiter or a "good" coach. I'm talking about being better than that. The kind of recruiter or coach who can RAISE a program from the doldrums of status quo. When trying to build a program, one way is to RECRUIT it up by signing quality (4/5*) players using you or your staff's personality, salesmanship, and visions for the future then use "good" coaching with the superior talent. My opinion again is that Sherman, Kines, and company cannot sell too far into the future due to their age. A sad but true fact when an 18 year old has visions of 70-ish coaches on the sideline during his senior year unless we are talking Paterno, et al. Why do you think the quality kids are not flocking to this group of NFL coaches, especially O-linemen where we supposedly have the ticket to the NFL. They also do not have MODERN day NCAA football success on the field to validate their promises of the future to the recruit and it does not look like they will improve on that this year. Moving on to the second path to improvement, COACHING. Another way to get the recruits interested is by program performance. Assemble a QUALITY coaching staff then use "good" (high 3*) players with the superior coaching to improve performance and attract quality (4/5*) recruits. Some examples of this approach are easily found. I also believe A&M does not have nearly all the pieces in place to get this done either. By the time this staff just catches up with today's game it will have changed once again and how old will they be at that point, how far will we have slipped. Influence in the '08 recruiting class, all of the '09 class, and all of the '10 class begins to paint an almost complete picture of what to expect from this group in the future barring a miraculous turn-around on the field this year, and next, to perk up recruit interest. Also, don't care what is printed in local papers, based on events that occured over the past several years I believe Sherman to be a man of average NFL character which is not a positive in college ball but a necessity in the pro ranks. Maybe not a big college negative but certainly not a positive. I do believe him to be an honorable man however and there is a difference between the two. As a result of that trait, I would not believe a buy-out would be necessary in his case if the program does not turn around. I think he would voluntarily resign with some sort of smaller economic package rather than continue a program he could not serve well. Maybe some programs exist that started off this way in the first two years (W/L's coupled with recruiting coupled with staff experience level) then had an unbelievable recovery with the same personnel and maybe some of you need further convincing after about two years but I have seen enough. What I think does not matter, it's just an opinion.

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: Making a point, then ruining it
"Typical homo[p]hobe attitude we've come to expect from B/CS" - 'nuf said. Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: Miller's hype, just what it is.. hype, utill?
Excellent case counselor. But one based mostly on recruits, somewhat on coaching, although not convincingly enough for me. It will be an interesting season to see if your dire predictions of "record losses", "futility" and no more than 5 wins will be the case? What happens if the Aggies beat those odds? Will you come back and retract your predictions? I hope so. I actually have been able to keep up with Aggie recruiting from your brief and vitriolic rants. You have called out more than a few recruits as "leftovers" which is (for me at least) a bit premature. They are just kids growing into men. I would hope that Sherman's eye is better than ours, but it will take time to see if you are indeed the better evaluator of HS talent.

Posted by: Pablo On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: "sky is falling"... again?
Lots of Chicken Littles blogging about the end of Aggie Football it seems. Just think about this for a minute; are Aggies satisfied with just being competitive in the Big 12 South? I'm not. I want to see us make a run at a National Championship. I want to see it in my lifetime as well, by the way. However, I could care less about year to year recruiting, since I understand that changes year to year. IMO, HS players want to be on the big stage it seems, more so than whatever 'traditional' schools may be selling. If blue chips will leave their hometowns behind for destinations like Lubbock, Lincoln, Waco, or Stillwater; they will find their way to College Station regardless of their political affiliation or life styles preferences. So, I can wait and see if Sherman will pan out. One year and some raw recruits are not enough for this Aggie to call it a bust.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/27/2009

Comment Title: HOW REALLY BAD IS MCKINNEY AND RC's FRIEND SHERMAN's POOR COACHING AND EVEN WORSE RECRUITING?
My personal opinions:_____7 blow out losses, Arkansas State and last place, doesn't even start o say it all!_____When 'Friend Sherman was hired in '07, A&M had signed 32 four and five star difference maker players in the last 5 years?_____tu had signed 62!_____"A DIFFERENCE OF 30"?_____After 'Friend Sherman has 3 signing classes today, A&M has regressed to only 23 signed and committed difference makers._____Meanwhile mac has improved to 73 signed and committed difference makers?_____THATS A HUGE DISPARITY IN JUST 3 SIGNING CLASSES, "FRIEND SHERMAN HAS REGRESSED FROM BEING BEHIND tu BY 30 TO NOW BEHIND 50 TOP PLAYERS"._____Absolutely terrible_____A&M just can not overcome coaching that poor or even worse recruiting!_____That's why I'm not buying another ticket to any A&M sporting event, until after a new coach signs a minimum of 14 difference makers in some far future(?) February!_____Just not worth it to go see A&M setting new records of disparity, futility and losses?_____miller58

Posted by: On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title:
You could not have attended the schools you cheer abut for very long, much less geraduated from them. Your mindless juvenile banter explains a lot of things going on at both institutions today. You are both fools. Dont post your thoughts and prove it to the rest of the nation. You both need to show a little class and get off this thread.

Posted by: On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: Re: tummer
"Tummer" That sounds like something an Auburn grad would use, as in "rounding tummer's corner". Or is it cope-speak for "hummer", as in all those hummers you homosexuals in Austin like to give each other.

Posted by: On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: Re: Rotten miller
Get off this thread miller58. There's a war of words going on between Ags and tsips. You're ruining the mood. GRAB YOUR AXE HANDLES BOYS!!! IT'S TIME TO SACK AUSTIN.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: A&M HAS REACHED LAST PLACE UNDER 'FRIEND SHERMAN, BUT NOT THE VERY BOTTOM, YET?
My personal opinions:_____ When McKinney and RC's Friend Sherman was hired in '07, A&M had signed 32 four and five star difference makers in the previous 5 years,_____and tu had signed 62._____Today A&M has regressesd to 23 signed under 'Friend Sherman,_____ and tu under mac has improved to 73 signed difference makers? _____"50" is quite a difference, just poor coaching and even worse recruiting, by 'Friend Sherman makes?_____miller58

Posted by: On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title:
I don't know anyone in College Station who is a wannabe shorthorn. And I don't know anyone in Austin who's a wannabe Aggie. Austin has it's steers, queers, paedophiles, and mass murderers. College Station has its salt-of-the-earth people who work six days a week and send in tax dollars so the liberals and freaks in Austin can sit on their rears and complain about capitalism.

Posted by: tummer On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: "Dope is the drug of choice at tu."
It's unintentional comedy like this that we love about the insecure wannabe Longhorns in College Station. :-D

Posted by: On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: posted by "On":
Really a nice example yall ags set here: "ladies dike-laden basketball teams" Typical homohobe attitude we've come to expect from B/CS.

Posted by: On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: Next 3 Years
2009, 2010, and 2011 will prove interesting. Some of the 2007 class (19) will be around in 2011 plus 2008 (24), 2009 (28), 2010 (now at 17) makes 88 scholarships. Take away attrition and add the rest of the 2010 class and the 2011 class who will not see much action and squeeze all of that into the maximum allowed 85 scholarships. You are currently looking at the team you will live with for the next three years. Good luck with your talent level.

Posted by: On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: re- dee68
"Real feelings with real families"......you bet. That is a person on a blog voicing his opinion to other bloggers. Next time you choose to go to the press and slam a kid with real feelings and a real family who just transferred from this school you should think about your hypocritical staement

Posted by: On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: Who has the better overall athletic program?
First, I doubt the majority of the t.u. posters on this thread actually hold a degree from that institution. Most of you probably bought your ugly orange shirt from Wal-Mart shortly after Vince Young single handedly beat the University of Spioled Children. Second, t.u. has historically had one of the nations top overall athletic programs. Mr. Byrne has repeatedly stated that we strive to reach that kind of recognition. The fact that A&M is compared to t.u. should be flattering, but 'sips are too arrogant to recognize this, which is why every school in the Big 12 hates you. I'm going to let you sips in on a little secret that the rest of the Big 12 already knows: A&M may have the best overall athletic program in the Big 12. With 17 Big 12 titles in the past three years and 3 NCAA Championships, we have a good arguement. The only program where t.u. has complete domination over us is football (despite us winning 2 of the last 3). Yes, we suck at football. We will probably suck again this year as we will simply have to play too many fish on defense to consistently stop people. But every other sport is fighting for Big 12 Championships. The fact you are commenting here means you are afraid we may actually have a better overall program. If we didn't, why would "big brother" even bother to comment? As for those who say smaller sports don't matter, I guess you will deny that t.u. lit the tower and will be giving back all of those small sport's championships you claimed during the down football year's of the 80's and 90's. Okay 'sips, you may now go back to sticking your heads in the sand. Repeat after me, "Texas has the best athletic program and A&M will never win anything."

Posted by: On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: Re: It's better to be an Aggie
And A&M doesn't produce mass murdering psycos either, a la Charles Whitman.

Posted by: Crocker R.A.B. On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: Re: tummer
Reference Mad Dog 5050. 13-0 tummer. That's how your castrated shorthorn got its name. LOL. LOL. Get back to your frat house in Austin and take a long pull on your bong! LOL. FYI: the lowest form of life at A&M is a fish, but a fish at A&M is still a much higher form a life than anyone who goes to tu. LOL LOL.

Posted by: tummer On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: 53 years since Top 5; 70 since your only MNC
"FYI: Ags did manage a Top 5 finish in 1985 (poll came out after Jan 1, 1986 bowl games) and one of Bellards teams finished in the Top 5. Keep trying tsip. You'll never win this argument." Actually, I will, because you agroloids keep making things up, and the Internet is an easy place to look these things up. Your 1985 team finished 6th in the AP and 7th in the coaches. Last time an A&M football team was even worthy of the top 5: 1956, which just so happens to be the year before the Great DKR came to Austin. Bhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_A%26M_Football#Top_25_poll_finishes POOOOOOOR AGGIES.

Posted by: Mad Dog 5050 On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: Why it's better to be an Aggie
A&M's mascot is man's best friend - what better mascot than that. tu's mascot is a head of cattle. It's the size of a boxcar with a brain the size of a large bean, i.e. it's big and dumb (just like a lot of tu alums I know). A&M named their mascot themselves. A&M also named the tu mascot. 13-0. Pretty sad when your rival names your mascot for you. How many Medal of Honor recepients does A&M have? About two dozen or more. How many does tu have? Maybe two or three. More beer is consumed at A&M than any other school in the country - people who drink beer are good salt of the earth types who tell it to you straight. Dope is the drug of choice at tu. A&M still makes white heterosexual males feel welcomed. tu wants to make white heterosexual males feel quilty. A&M has traditions. tu has ..... well ... nothing really. Whoop! Gig 'em Aggies

Posted by: On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: dee68
I like to tweek miller because I don't like him, don't believe he's an ag & sure don't believe he's class of '59. I think he might be a fish that lasted in Rebel-E maybe 2 months before they ran him off & he now carries a deep hatred for A&M. But what got me last night, this guy wants to do some serious damage to some good coaches & their families without giving them a fair chance - he wants them fired & run out of town after being on campus for what, 18 months. These guys have real families, real feelings, real wives & kids in real schools and they live in & around A&M in BCS. If these coaches showed us that amount of commitment, we'd blast them for lack of any loyalty & effort. Miller should be ignored, we should tell this staff they'll get a fair chance.

Posted by: Crocker R.A.B. On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: re: Trojan
For clarification purposes: Shorthorns like to refer to their junior college in Austin as "the university", ergo tu. And yes tu is A&M's biggest rivalry. The Lone Star Showdown is between them - the flagship university of Texas (that would be A&M) and the flagship junior college of Texas (that would be tu).

Posted by: On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: Lineman
We already have 5 DL committed, all of which the staff liked better than Peterson. Everyone realizes we need lineman and based on the numbers (10 in 2008, 7 in 2009, and a projected 10 for 2010), it looks like the staff is trying to address that need. Only time will tell if there projections were/are right.

Posted by: On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title:
And Lord knows we sure dont need anymore offensive or defensive linemen. Gimme a break , pleeeeease.

Posted by: On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: Peterson
We did not offer Peterson (Adrian's little brother). Our staff projects him as an OT, not a DT. We already have 4 OT's committed (two 4*'s) and are closing in on Matthews (son of Hall of Famer Bruce and the top OT in the state), all of which the staff like better than Peterson.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/26/2009

Comment Title: MULTIPLE FIRST YEAR COACHES ARE FIRED EVERY YEAR!
My personal opinions:_____This past year was no exception, and one first year D1 coach was even fired halfway into the season?_____ou just committed DT Torrea Peterson 6-4 300 5.1 who had offers from okie lite, usc, tu, tech, ucla, smu, tulsa, ark, auburn, baylor, colorado, ill, lsu, minn. and nebraska!_____Looks like 'Friend Sherman missed another good one?_____miller58

Posted by: Trojans! On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title:
I love it that aggies like to call a superior university, UT, tu. Being a USC grad, I really don't care but it seems odd, and demeaning, to a&m to do so. UT is not your rival. Baylor is, Texas Tech is. Delusions of granduer?

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: to the nutball poster below without a name
When do you need a DT who "can run very fast". Jeez man, dont hit that submit button til your kid proofs your post.

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title:
FACT: Every publication in the nation projected this team at seven to nine wins last year based on returning players and the talented inbound coaching staff. This includes local sources. There was a complete meltdown. Period. And it occured on defense. You have only to read the reports out of pre-seson camp last year to understand how badly this team was mis-evaluated. Not once has Sherman publicly defended his kids against the Eagle and there "Eagle Grades The Aggies" section on Sunday. The only person he has defended is his defensive coordinator who said he "would not return unless Sherman wanted him to". You will NEVER know the opportunity you missed there. Go to the M/W scrimmage highlights on the athletic dept site and watch, with few exceptions, the sloppy play on both sides of the ball that either resulted in completions or long runs on offense or interceptions and fumble recoveries by the defense. Just like last year's M/W Scrimmage, these are negatives on one side producing positives on the other. Execution is sloppy and everyone is still in slow motion. Take a look and tell me this is where you want to be with 4 weeks of practice left. The next person who talks about '09 speed needs to provide a few names of recruits who are faster than what we have on roster now and where you got the information.

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: re: miller58
You can't fire a dude after one season. Sherman had six scholarship O-linemen on campus who weren't true freshmen and two of those were redshirt freshment who'd never suited up for a game. His senior QB gets knocked out for the season in only the second game. There is a new emphasis on recruiting - recruiting defensive speed and recruiting the state of Louisiana, two things Fran allowed to fall by the wayside. Examples: DT Eddie Brown wasn't offered by Fran but Sherman offered because he could run very fast for a DT. Example: Sherman's signed a number of kids from Louisiana, somthing Sherrill put an important emphasis on too. Example: Bring back Tim Cassidy as Recruiting Co-ordinator.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: RE: SEEING STARS
My personal opinions:_____Stars, since 'Friend Sherman was hired in Nov'07, every one has talked about these untruths:_____(1) The new emphasis on recruiting_____(2)'Friend Sherman's nfL will draw top recruits like flys_____(3) Wait 'til they see 'Friend Sherman's team on the field_____(4) Wait 'til they see 'Friend Sherman's recruiting class (5) Give "friend Sherman time_____(6) The Aggie spin Machine says "Friend Sherman is recruiting speed?_____ (7) Give 'Friend Sherman more time_____ (8) 7 blow out losses and arkansas state is good coaching_____ (9) Give 'Friend Sherman more time_____ (10) signing 7 diffrence makers vs tu's 12 is good recruiting_____(11) Give 'Friend Sherman more more more time_____(12) signing 5 difference makers vs tu's 14 is good recruiting_____(13) Just give 'Friend Sherman more more more more time?_____(14) committing 3 difference makers vs tu's 16 is just good recruiting_____(15) Just give 'Friend Sherman more and more and more and more and more time(AND MORE)_____(16) 'Friend Sherman is looking at more blow out losses and arkansas states in '09, more in'10, more in '11, more in '12, and more in etc.?_____(17) JUST give 'Friend Sherman more time_____(18) NO MORE TIME'FRIEND SHERMAN AFTER TODAY!_____miller58

Posted by: CinterL On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Ok year as a whole.
Yes comparing the two does make sense. ok lets look at it this way. Football, clearly t.u. was better don't think anyone will disagree, if you do your crazy. Mens Basketball, split the series and both made an exit in round of 32. But A&M had the better record and finished ahead in Big12 rankings. Push or a slight A&M lean. Baseball t.u. did have the better season, but the competition between both our squads was great, t.u. peaked at the best time of the season, while A&M peaked in the middle. So i all these three t.u. did have a good lead. However in almost every sport is a push or an A&M major lead, with the exception of swimming, well maybe tennis too, can't really remember. Both had good year, we are just happy with the 3 NC. We know t.u is good to great in sports, they just could not bring it all the way home like our squads did on the national stage. Good luck to both squads next year, and looking for great competition from both. Thanks and Gig'em.

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title:
"Augie took a gutty bunch of kids with more heart"..... come on tummer, those kids were some of the most highly sought-after players in high school. You're talking like it's football season and it's Boise St versus OU or Rice against Texas. Gimme a break. You talk like they over-achieved or something. Didn't they also begin the year in the Top 10. A bunch of gutty kids was the Fresno State baseball team last year, not the shorthorns this year. FYI: Ags did manage a Top 5 finish in 1985 (poll came out after Jan 1, 1986 bowl games) and one of Bellards teams finished in the Top 5. Keep trying tsip. You'll never win this argument

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Re: tummer
I really enjoyed watching the track teams win national titles. How did you like watching your sips get spanked by LSU last night, tummer. Geaux Tigers!!! Whoop. It's nice having the limelight all to ourselves. Go back to your smoke shop and gay bars, tummer.

Posted by: tummer On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: re: re: tummer
"You lost last night and you're still crying about it." Who's crying? Augie took a gutty bunch of kids with more HEART than any Aggie could ever dream of having, and wildly exceeded expectations and made me even more proud than I was of the National Champion Longhorn teams I witnessed in 1983, 2002, and 2005. I couldn't be more proud of these kids. Meanwhile, A&M pulled a typical choke job this season - from #1 in the nation to 3rd place in your region. Pooooor aggies. "I remember how proud you boys in Austin were when your swimming teams and ladies dike-laden basketball teams won national championships. Even when your football team stunk it up - which was quite often in the 80s and 90s - you'd point to "the all-around program", etc. etc. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander, tsipper." Yeah, because even during those dark days in the 80's when Texas blew at football and A&M was Fed Ex-ing it's way to probation, A&M STILL couldn't even manage a single Top 5 finish. Going on about 55 years now since A&M could even do that. So sure we crowed about swimming. But I can assure you Aggies from RECENT experience - and of course none of you under the age of 80 can remember what it's like, and the rest of you never will - a baseball national championship is worth 100 swimming/golf/T&F championships, and football is worth 10,000. Texas Swimming - at least - is well supported by our fans. I saw a lot of it myself when I was a student. How many of you gomers could even name a single aggie golfer or ever witnessed an event before your national championship? Any minor glory you've gained from these college sports nobody cares about has been outweighed greatly by all the laughing coming from Austin over your pathetic, insecure crowing.

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Re: tummer
Hey tummer, you obviously care about who won golf and track titles - otherwise how would you remember the Ags won. Newsflash: There are only two college sports that garner serious national attention - football and basketball - baseball's not one of them. Neither team has won a national title in basketball. And tu's only won one national title in football during the post-scholarship limitation era. Not much to stand on. And finishing second or third is like kissing your sister (unless you're into incest, which I'm sure a lot of tsippers are, but that's another story). If your school competes in a sport, the students, alums, and fan want to win, to mention nothing of the athletes competing in those sports. And guess what tummer. The Texas Aggies did a lot of winning this year. The Texas Shorthorns (i.e. short-on-titles), not so much. FYI: I enjoyed every inning of Game 3 of the LSU-Shorthorn series. Poor t-sip.

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Sherman did not move players around?
WTF??? At DT, Heard was benched for Brown and JTE. At DE, Miller was moved from LB to a situational pass rusher and Cavanaugh had his shirt burned. At LB, Dixon was moved from safety. At DB, Hunter and T-Fred became starters. All of these player moves were made to get more defensive speed on the field. The only point to debate here is if he made the right moves.

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: RE: miller58
My point in that post to (no name) was that everyone wants to talk about the speed of the '09 class and what we are going to see on the field this year as a result of it yet not one of them can replace a player on the current roster and improve the speed at that position. Also, let's not forget Sherman had from 11/07 til 8/08 to evaluate speed, a task he can apparently handle very quickly judging by the remarks surrounding the '09 class. During that 9/10 month period he GROSSLY underestimated what was required in the defensive speed department on Saturdays. To me, that is the only answer to why he keeps juggling players who have been on his roster the entire time he has been here. McKinney just got a "vote of no confidence" and Kines is in danger of the same if he keeps juggling the pieces that have been at his disposal since day one.

Posted by: Bird Dog On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Re: tu had to settle
The t-sips also had to settle for watching LSU beat the crap out of them last night and OU get into the Big 12 title game. LOL. Wait til next year. LOL

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Wow, that's reaching...
Glad to see the Aggies pick up the national championships in men's golf and track. Congrats! The accolades for those NCs is deserved. I believe it helps the entire Big XII when members excel and raise the level of competition in any Big XII sport. But to use that to suggest that A&M had a comparable or even better year than Texas in athletics is a bit over the top. Let's face it - football, basketball and baseball are the big three sports. So, how do the teams compare? Texas finished 3rd in Football, going 11-1, and winning a BCS bowl. A&M finished 4-8. Texas finished 23rd in men's basketball, while A&M finished in "Others Receiving Votes" with 4 votes. And what about baseball? Texas was projected to finish 3rd in the Big XII, BEHIND A&M, which was projected to finish 1st. Yet, the Texas baseball team made it to Omaha, and forced a decisive third game in the CWS Finals before losing and finishing the season in 2nd place. And the Aggies? Well, they are forced to watch the CWS from home. And like it or not, Texas still finished 6 spots above A&M in the Director's Cup. I know that A&M did better than Texas in other sports, like women's basketball, and obviously men's golf and track. And Aggies should be proud of that. And I truly hope that A&M improves in other sports, because it makes the Conference better. It makes the UT/A&M rivalry better. But, to start saying that A&M had a better year in 2009 because of men's golf and track? Honestly... If you really feel that cocky about it, maybe you should put a bumper sticker on your car, touting "Texas A&M - 2009 National Champions in Men's Golf". But, truth be told, I doubt that you'd really do that.

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Re: tummer
You lost last night and you're still crying about it. Too bad. Go whine to dad - maybe he'll give you some iced-tea to sooth the pain, tsip. Hah, hah, hah. LOL. I remember how proud you boys in Austin were when your swimming teams and ladies dike-laden basketball teams won national championships. Even when your football team stunk it up - which was quite often in the 80s and 90s - you'd point to "the all-around program", etc. etc. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander, tsipper. A&M 3 National Titles. t.u. 0. Har, har, har.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: RE; SEEING STARS
My personal opinions:_____Stars, you are right!_____When the lack of speed showed up in game 1 last year, 'Friend Sherman did not move players around, like stoops did!_____What do you bet that 'Friend Sherman doesn't win the mnc this year, like stoops did his second year?_____miller58

Posted by: Crocker R.A.B. On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title:
To helll with the Big 12, especially Texas. The important thing is that the Ags won 3 national titles and the tsips ZERO. Thank God for the LSU baseball team. Geaux Tigers.

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Are you out of your mind?
aggie spent Christmas, New Years and the CWS at home. Both teams enjoyed the final four from the comfort of their living rooms. Are there any other sports that really matter (sorry ladies but it's reality)? It would be easier, and much shorter, to write: We suck at football, couldn't win at baseball or basketball but look...I found some sports--that nobody gives a dang about--in which we are better than Texas.

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Who cares!?!?!
Rather than compare the two programs and who is better....it should be noted that 3 National Championships came to the Big 12 and the the Great State of Texas! Get over it guys!!!

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: RE: (no name)
You are absolutely correct. Not only is it smart, it has become a necessity today. Size is being sacrificed for speed. Everyone is "moving up". Safety's to LB, tweener LB's to DE. it's all about speed and playing in space. Sure, one-on-one tackling, athlete on athlete. I had a very good coach tell me last week that all he needed was six really good athletes on defense and he could play with anyone. May be a lot of truth to that. Here's the part I can't get my arms around. A 3-4 defense has 4 LB's. For blitz package play-calling they have adopted names of Sam, Will, Mike, and Jack. The Jack is the weak-side backer on the line of scrimmage in a two-point stance. He is a tweener (too small for DE and not quite fluid enough for OLB). Miller at 217# fits this to a tee. Small but quick and serving one purpose, pressure the QB and disrupt the backfield while the three down linemen collapse the pocket, the 2 LB's and SS control the run, and the Sam controls the TE and prevents a run from escaping around the end. BUT HE HAS NO PLACE IN A 4-3 DEFENSE which it appears what we are trying to do with him due to a real or perceived lack of DE's for our 4-3. Leave him out there as a Jack in a 4-3 and he, at only 217#, is going to have trouble turning the play upfield and/or with the screen to his side. That is why 4-3 DE's are typically 255-265+ Pounds in college these days. As I have said before, Fran (bless his little pointed head) had at least figured this out. Look at our strongest opponents defenses. They shift in 4-3 to many other coverages including nickel (4-2-5) which is exactly where fran was taking the defense. That big Safety you speak of is of value here. That should tell you why we had more DB's than usual and why we had fewer LB's than a 4-3 team usually carries. Back to your comment on that being smart and that stoops did it........why didn't sherman/kines WITH THESE SAME PLAYERS do it last year? The speed issue showed up at game #1.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: _______________RE: AGGIE SPIN MACHINE bs!
My personal opinions:_____Statement by CROCK OF SPIN,"miller, we are going to get our soeed in a couple more years"!_____Answer, We have 72 players now signed/committed right today with mostly slow speed to 2013+ ; that leaves room for only 13 more players( 85 SCHOLARSHIPS?) with speed til 2013?_____24 signed '08, 3 transfers, 28 signed '09, 17 committed currently; that's 72 players on board til 2013 +13 more with speed gives us 85 players = same mostly slow 85 players til 2013?_____One Question, how you going to beat the 85 man ncaa squad limit; and pitty the new A&M coach, that comes in today, and can't sign but 13 more players until 2013?_____Talk about a program completely out of control?_____and just really dumb CinterL statement that we got 3 senior 3*'s that may inprove their level of their play to 4* play this year?_____Don't you understand, yet, that no team has won the Big 12 south without over 62 difference makers signed in previous 5 years, this decade, or played in an mnc game this decade?_____Having just 3 more three star players playing like 4*'s, is like the proverble three 4* p-ants crawling up an elephants leg, with rodeo bulldoging the elephant, on their mind?_____The three just ain't gona make it happen; 3 figgen players when we need over 62 signed?_____ Ridiculous!_____And the retension rates were calculated over the five year period prior to playing in the mnc, obviously A&M's was calculated over a recent 5 year period, when we were not in the big 12 champ or mnc game!_____As for some of you pulling some of these untrue statement things out of your lie colored sky, I prove how poor A&M coaching is, with even worse recruiting, every day with just honest verrifyable facts!_____Try it once sometime?_____Damn it, Mckinney and Regents, correct this coaching problem today, or get someone in there today, that can?_____It's gone on for 20 years now!_____I'm just plain sick of losing more than 4 games out of every 10, we play against the other big 12 teams, since its very begining!_____miller58

Posted by: tummer On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Tampaggy
"That's right, tu had to settle. It had to settle for watching the Ags taking home three (3) national titles." Oh my God, were you just being serious? Newsflash: the vast majority of the nation (including Longhorn fans) don't know OR care who won the Golf and "Competive Exercising" National Championships. And none of us would even trade a national for a 1st down against Rice in football. "It had to settle for watching that big fall sports lead dwindle to nothing and then watch the Aggies houst the Lone Star Showdown trophy again." Meanwhile, the aggies settled for a 40 point buttwhipping (worst since 1898) in football. "FYI: the 1989 Aggie baseball team wound up ranked #2. Look it up, it's somewhere on the net." Actually, that 1989 aggie baseball team CHOKED in it's regional, just like the 2009 version, which started the year #1. Who cares where you finished in the last regular season poll, when that team wasn't even among the final 16 teams playing for Omaha. "(and that one largely came because Southern Cal bet itself) and Ags 0 national titles. Not much of a pedastal for tsips to stand on when you really think about it." Right, the same idiots who spent years claiming that Reggie would be better than VY now claim that the greatest national championship game performance in college football history was just USC "beating itself." Whatever makes you feel better. A&M has a $19 million budget for football (compared to $20 million for UT) and underachieves with it more than any program in the nation. In terms of bang-to-buck, you make Notre Dame look like Boise State.

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Re: Seeing Stars
Well, that certainly is a good way to put more speed on the field. Take a safety, put a little weight on him and move him to LB. Slcoum moved Todd Howard from DE to LB and he had a great career. William Thomas started out as a safety before ending up at LB. Same with Johnny Holland. All those guys ended up as All-Americans. Until Sherman gets his guys in the system, sure, take Fran's players and juggle them to fit his schemes. That's smart - Stoops did it at OU and won a national title.

Posted by: Tampa Ag On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: re: UT had to settle
That's right, tu had to settle. It had to settle for watching the Ags taking home three (3) national titles. It had to settle for watching that big fall sports lead dwindle to nothing and then watch the Aggies houst the Lone Star Showdown trophy again. How many national titles did tu win? A big fat ZERO. FYI: the 1989 Aggie baseball team wound up ranked #2. Look it up, it's somewhere on the net. FYI: college baseball is a great sport but it doesn't have much of a following East of the Mississippi/North of the Mason-Dixon line. The only two big time national sports are football and basketball. A&M's won only 1 national title in football and Texas 4 or 5. All but one of those came before the era of modern football though, i.e. post-scholarship limits. So, in the modern era, it's tu 1 national title (and that one largely came because Southern Cal bet itself) and Ags 0 national titles. Not much of a pedastal for tsips to stand on when you really think about it.

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title:
Yep- sherman is an older gent and is getting older every year. problem with that is the rcruits are staying the same age every year.

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title:
We will soon be 2 years down the road. Will sherman build a program overnight. He does not seem to have started yet.

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Horsecrackers
The best thing for A&M is to keep Sherman for a while so we can build a program. Texas, Tech, and Oklahoma all have had their coaches for a while. Look at how successful they have been. To me it's about coaching longevity. Wonder why A&M football team is in the dumps? Three reasons Texas, Tech, Oklahoma-3 losses every year. A&M hopefully found a good coach in Sherman. The only beef I had is why didn't we find an up in coming younger coach. Sherman seems a little old. With the quality of players we have been getting, we should start competing, but rememeber we have to compete against coaches who have been up in running for years at the same school, Mack Brown, Lucky Leach, Stoops....

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: UT had to "settle"
Texas had to "settle" for 3rd place in football and 2nd place in baseball this year. A&M hasn't finished that high in football, baseball, or basketball in 70 years. This is why Aggies look really foolish by obsessively comparing themselves to The University.

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: really?
A&M Athletics have a long way to go before you can begin to compare them to The University of Texas and its programs. Congrats on the NC's in Golf and Track; however, to suggest that A&M may have had a better overall year is ludicrous.

Posted by: Seeing Stars On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: RE: Crocker R.A.B.
The speed issue has been beat to death. No published numbers indicate this inbound class is in any way faster than current roster players, matter of fact they are slower when reviewing their posted 40's. I have no source to tell me different other than the rumor mill. More speed is being put on the field because we are replacing roster positions with other roster personnel (miller at DE). Every LB in the '09 class is SLOWER or THE SAME speed as EVERY current roster LB except for one and he is rehabing a knee which caused him to lose a lot of his senior year so who knows. Even C. Michael is slower than BOTH current backs. If I am a player with a marginal 40 but an exceptional shuttle you can believe I would have my shuttle available to the same people who report my 40. If you want to get into the rumors and speculation then I cannot argue the point. Besides, the bigger issue is what the heck took this staff this long to realize you need defensive speed and athleticism to combat the new offenses? So far all that has been done to put more speed on the field is moving players around. Players who were available last year. Bottom line is you will face several teams with 4 and 5 receiver sets. Fast, quick athletes. Name the 4 or 5 defensive athletes you plan to use for cover without going to man covereage where they will take you to school. If you have trouble it's OK because so do a lot of coaches around the country when they face the Spread. It's just that after naming 4 they are in trouble. We seem to be in trouble after 2.

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title:
Miller, how are you calculating your 72% retention rate for A&M? We have signed 214 players (not counting 2009) and 96 have left early for a 45% attrition rate this decade for classes on campus (the 2008 class, Sherman's first, has only lost 3 of 25, but that number will rise). For those who do not feel attrition is a problem, our two biggest problem areas last year were OL and LB. How would the OL have performed last year if Yemi had been at tackle and Shumard could have played his natural guard position? Further, if Patterson had not been the only OL taken in 2006, we may have had more options last year when injuries struck. As for LB, we have signed 31 LB's through 2008 and 22 did not finish their careers at A&M. Just looking at last year, the LB play would have probably been better and faster if Stephens (a 4* for those who like stars) and Joiner (a 3*, but a 5.7 which is the highest rated 3*) had still been on the team. For the statement that only having three or four 4*/5* on your team, I present the following teams that have played in BCS bowls and have recruited fewer 4*/5* players than us this decade: Utah, Pitt, Cincinnati, Kansas, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Wake Forest, Wisconsin, Stanford, Oregon State, Purdue, Washington State, Kansas State, Louisville, and Hawaii. My premise is that stars are not our issue, rather attrition and imbalanced classes. If you do not agree, then present facts that support your opinion instead of claiming untruths, slanted, or good ol' boy syndrome.

Posted by: CinterL On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Recruiting is getting better!!!
I know right now it is easy to down Sherman's recruiting efforts. He has not signed many good to great players, maybe? There are only 3 4* commited right now, however there are 3 3* that could easily move up to a 4* ranking if they have a good senior season, for they are THE highest 3* in position rankings. Also side note, Sherman does his own assessments, rivals.com is not the end all be all of recruiting. Good? yes, but accurate? not so much. Oh and just to let everyone know t.u. is beating everyone in rivals star ranking of recruting. so comparing how they are doing after a wonderful season, and then how we are doing should be considered why they are also "supposedly" beating us in recruiting. Translation: if we have a good season, i think 6-7 wins, our recruiting class could be close to 10 4*. Have hope!!! Thanks and Gig'em

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: dee68
Hey miller, I like the one about fran having us on the verge of a national championship. Run that one again. I need a good laugh.

Posted by: Crocker R.A.B. On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Re: miller58
You're being really hard on Sherman. He's bringing in a lot of speed with the class he signed in Feb '09 and has already stated that the ones on campus now "better work hard during the summer because we're going to try really hard to get that speed on the field." Sorta blows your idea of "fat slow players" out of the water, miller58. Sherman wants speed, Joe Kines wants speed, and they both recruit speed. You'll get your speed miller58. It might take a couple of more classes. But it's coming - some as soon as August. So why don't you sit down, clam up, and see how things go for the next couple of years, then draw some conclusions.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: ______SO MANY LIES, OUT OF CONTEXT LIES, MISQUOTED LIES?
My personal opinions:_____So Many out of context and untrue supposedly quotes, posted by the Aggie Spin Machine?_____Where to start?_____First, each and every football team that has played or won the mnc this decade, has signed from 62 up to 80 four and five difference makers, in the previous five years._____Recruiting at this level does not guarantee an mnc, not recruiting at this level guarantees that you don't even play in an mnc game, this decade?_____Second in the years 2002 thru 2009, there are from 8 to 19 different coaches each and every year, that signed from 10 to 22 difference makers._____All the mnc participants sampled this decade had a 72% retention rate; and A&M also had a 72% retention rate; the exception was tu, where mac had an 82 % retention rate(mac keeps a couple of studs in school every year, like McCoy that extra year, Like Sherman with Martellus and Goodson couldn't)._____Since my first year at A&M was also Bear's, John David and Charlie's first year at A&M, I can tell you that Bear won big with our Fish team while going 1-9 varsity team!_____With Bear, Emory, and Jackie what they all did different than our current 'Friend, was they recruited well the first and every year so there was measured progress!_____Bear, Emory, and and Jackie did not recruit mostly tu and the rest of the swc's slow low ranked leftovers.____ Sure they lost some games the first year, but didn't recruit like crap the first 3 signing classes; but they always recruited great, and so there was measured progress and hope?_____With current 'Friend, there are games being lost, but there is only measured regression in now 3 straight recruiting classes of only 7, 5 and 3 difference makers, while letting tu commit improving classes of 12, 14 and now 16 difference makers ._____The Bear, Emory or Jackie would have personally resigned, before inflicting A&M with no hope for he future, except for multiple blow out losses every year, with the poor coaching and even worse recruiting 'Friend brings?_____You see losses with 3 past coaches and 'Friend; but Bear, Emory, and Jackie made measured recruiting progress every year: 'Friend only makes measured coaching regression and measured bare cupboard (28?) regression after 3 sighing classes?_____McKinney and the Board must not use the Murano affair, to excuse acting today!_____If They can spend up to $9 million to buy out Fran, to install McKinney, RC's and some football players Friend + 9 assistants, at a cost of another over $4 million every on going year year, today, then Mckinney and the Regents can get us a new good coach today!_____miller58

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: dee68
miller's an sherman hater from day one (loves fran),doesn't know what he's taking about & should be ignored - read Sunsentinel.com 's article on 6/24/09. "UM: burned by web hype, recruiters go with gut". Article cover UM's coaches recruiting (in the past) off the rivals 4/5 star list & what a disaster it was - how they had slipped badly due to poor character, poor performance, poor effort of the highly touted recruits - the ones that had great highlight films but were basically lost & clueless on the field. They're going back to basics of watching game film & doing their own evaluations

Posted by: On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: RE: 92ag
And no team coming anywhere close to the BCS has done so with only three or four 4*/5* either. Add up several years because that is what makes up the team. Count the total roster. You want imbalaned recruiting, how many defensive players do you see us landing to support this current group.

Posted by: not miller On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: 92ag
One of the most untrue, slanted, good ol boy posts ever recorded. The epitome of what is wrong.

Posted by: 92ag On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: Fourteen 4*/5*?
For Rivals team rankings from 2002 to 2009, only 6 teams a year average 14 4*/5* recruits. Over that 8 year period, the teams that have competed in the BCS title game have failed to reach the "mythical" 14 4*/5* number multiple times: tu - 5, ou - 3, lsu -3, usc - 1, osu - 6, miami - 6, florida - 4. These numbers show that no team brings in 14 4*/5* recruits every year and Miller58/Muskrat's logic is flawed. The problem with A&M recruiting is not stars, it is high levels of attrition and imbalanced classes. An example of attrition would be 17 of 22 players from the 2000 class leaving the team before their eligibility is up. Example of unbalanced classes would be on recruiting 1 defensive player in the 1998 class and only recruiting 1 OL in the 2006 class.

Posted by: Crocker R.A.B. On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: It's t.u., not UT
Cessna, please refer to that place in Austin as t.u., rather than ..... well you know. Miller58, why do you always have to pop off about the football team. Bear Bryant, Emory Bellard, and Jackie Sherrill all had losing records their first year at A&M. But they all turned out just fine. And your uber-god, Coach Fran, had an identical 4-8 record his first year.

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: ______________RIDICULOUS!
My personal opinions:_____tu 49; A&M 9 ?_____tu 11-1 regular season, +bowl; A&M regular season 4-8, no bowl?_____tu current recruits 16 difference makers; A&M current recruits only 3 difference makers; none, zero, nada, neicht on defense?_____tu national press positive, A&M national press "team last place" multiple times, coaching "dead last", etc.?_____Mac Brown; McKinney, Rc's, some football players Friend?_____tu; A&M?_____Mac signed 74 difference makers in last 5 years; Sherman down from 32 to 23 difference makers in just 3 signing classes._____MAC very full cupboard; Sherman already 28 player difference maker bare cupboard in only 3 signing classes?_____Mac ability to compete for the Big 12 and mnc every year; A&M losing 4 out of almost every 10 games against big 12 teams since it began?_____Mac's ability to win mnc: at Greenbay, Mike reportedly fired due to inability to evaluate player personnel and inability to instill team discipline, not one nfl championship with all world Quarterback Brett Farve?_____Sorry, coffee break just too short a time to adequately cover the subject; and my fall. winter and spring tee times are set at 12 noon, so visitors to Kyle should keep it dowm; my putting needs all the help, it can get!_____miller58

Posted by: miller58 On: 6/25/2009

Comment Title: A&M 20YRS BEHIND tu IN CAOCHING AND RECRUITING?
My personal opinions:____When will the Aggie spin machine (which includes McKinney, Perry, Byrne, and RC's former player's)allow A&M to hire a proven coach?____There are over 50 coaches out there who have proven that they can sign up to 14 4*/5* difference makers per year?____A&M can sign one of these coaches Today?_____My tee time tee's off at 11AM every Saturaday, so I will not be robbed by the Aggie spin machine by buying any tickets!?____miller58


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